FACECAMPING EXPERIMENT - 36 game win streak

Why did you smurf and buy a brand new acct to do this on vs your main? Based on this style of experiment I guess the 4 top streamers doing hard core survivor challenge and curb stomping 20+ killers into the ground is proof killers are trash and survivors need heavy nerfs?

Regardless of the answer face camping and tunneling was too strong before the patch even and should have better protection base.

"I am literally over the MMR cap on both sides"

Don't claim things that you cannot prove.

Do you see your MMR score on screen?

As far as I'm aware, MMR score is still hidden by bhvr.

So for all i know you might be low MMR and just having trouble with the game, which makes you think you are high MMR.

Maybe you think you're high MMR but you just face competent survivors who do know what they do but are not even in high MMR.

Sure maybe you are high MMR who knows.

What I'm saying is, you can't back this claim up because it's an hidden score.

So every can say they are the top of the MMR scale, because no one can see the scores

If you main Survivor and just started playing Nurse, as we can see by your first game where your Thana isn't even past level 1 and you only have one perk slot, you will get the lowest MMR possible. The only real reason your strategy is working so well is because EVEN by the time your MMR catches up to you, you have learned the basics of the most overpowered Killer in the game that's literally the best at tunneling and camping. Your results would be about the same with Insidious Bubba hiding behind a tree in MacMillan. I have tried facecamping MANY, MANY times as Sadako who can literally go undetectable to great failure. Survivors just do the gens and leave, in a lot of my bad games where I get a 0K I'm not even able to defend the last guy on hook most of the time. Not even because I have to, I just wanted to REALLY SEE if facecamping is as easy as people say.

I discard your experiment completely until you try to replicate this same experiment as Sadako. The same exact experiment, use the same exact strategy as the most basic M1 Killer in the game. Even Myers technically has an advantage when it comes to being an M1 Killer, even Trapper. Sadako has nothing.

Replicate this 10 games in a row as Sadako and maybe I will be convinced. No NOED and Blood Warden but everything else goes.

Playing against low rated survivors doesn't prove a point with camping. These are players that can be 12 hooked (using survivor rulebook).

All of you saying facecamping works because players are "bad" completely miss the point of why anyone plays this game in the first place. The fun part of dead by daylight isn't escaping; escaping might feel good at the end of a tough match, but if you're honest that's not what anyone is truly here for.

The fun of dead by daylight is interacting with the survivors/killer and getting into the idea that the other survivors will totally die in real life if they are sacrificed so you wanna be a hero and save them no matter the cost. Thus, "altruism", and stupid risky sub optimal plays are what people want after being in queue for 30 years. This is why camping works - if the survivors want to do something interesting, they have to give themselves up to the killer to make that happen.

Dead by daylight is not a balanced game, and probably never will be. I know some folks love their competitive mario party but they are ultimately in the minority.

It's not. I've been facecamping with Bubba and 4 gen regression perks, and I'm going against 2k+ hour survivors.

I 4k 99% of the time, they really don't have a chance.

I always find and start with the weakest link. It's super easy to see who can loop really well and who can't. But regardless Bubba eats through pallets and I always hit through a pallet, I never respect them.

Even if the survivor chains tiles and or loops well, the maximum they typically stay up for is 4-5 tiles, and with Bubba chainsaw eating pallets so quickly those tiles go by really quick.

After that it's pretty simple, that first survivor will die on first hook, or someone will come to save and I'll get both of them down. Bubba's chainsaw and run down survivors regardless of the BT duration.

After that gens come to a hault. They'll maybe get 1-3 gens done max. At that point I just start slugging for the 4k. Even if it's 3 players still up, slugging them out over and over is usually so oppressive they can't get ######### done.

Once I get 2 of em down I just hook em and proxy camp em. Bubba can get to either hook and down both survivors during the rescue pretty easily.

It's been absolutely mindless for me after this patch. I've played like this before the patch and I would usually 1k or 2k most of the time. After this patch I've 4k'd every game since it was released. Not sure how many games, but it's gotta be well over 30 or 40 now.

I'm having an hard time imagining that a 300 hours player can win 25 games in a row simply camping and tunneling.

Unless the MMR craps out completely you are bound to be matched against experienced survivors that will let you get away with at most one kill.

(I didn't read the whole thread, obviously)

First I want to say, good on you for backing up your claims with your own evidence and sharing it with us, and while this isn’t high mmr and it’s someone with some knowledge going against people that probably don’t have any experience with the game I think dismissing it because of that isn’t good for the game/community. I’d say while you can’t apply this to experienced players because most survivors that have been playing the game know how to counter camping/tunneling, you can definitely use this to show what the possible new player experience is like for survivors and to an extent killers. Everyone knows that rank and role are inversely related as survivor is harder then gets easier and vice versa for killer. While I personally love this patch because it shifted the meta and actually made changes for experienced players, it definitely made it harder for newer players, specifically new survivors. A lot of the changes are good for us who’ve been playing for a long time (such as perks being unlocked after prestige, nerfs to DH, etc.), but largely it doesn’t help the new player experience. This is not to say that after the patch camping/tunneling became some new thing, as it’s been part of the game for it’s entire life. New players are equally as important to the game as people who have been playing it for years and years. They’re what expands the community and playerbase so their experience matters as much as ours. Camping and tunneling are unfortunately more prevalent and effective at lower ranks, and while you are free to play however you see fit, it’s just not a fun experience for survivors in general let alone someone who’s brand new (and there are definitely unfun things to face as killer too although those situations mostly happen at high ranks, at least in my experience). Now if someone that’s new is constantly getting tunneled/camped they probably aren’t having fun, and when a game isn’t fun why play? People are probably more likely to quit the game because of this, and while as stated before, tunneling and camping isn’t new to this patch it’s just become a little bit more effective with some of the new changes in lower ranks. And you can’t really tell a new player how to deal with something like this because they lack the knowledge to apply it properly and the only way to gain that knowledge is to play the game which is probably less likely for them because they aren’t having fun; it’s like showing someone how to run a structure, it’s good to know but actually applying it is a different story. One more example that is somewhat related, but unrelated to DBD would be frame data in fighting games. Experienced players know how to apply knowledge of frames to optimize their gameplan, but if you showed it to a new player it would be meaningless because they wouldn’t know how to apply it and it wouldn’t even someone teach how to play a character/the game itself.

tl;dr I think that while, yes, this doesn’t apply to high mmr players it could be a good way to show what the new/low mr players are experiencing and that it shouldn’t be ignored because the new player experience is equally as important to the game as ours as experienced players.

I don't even understand the meaning of "triggered".

I have no doubt whatsoever that you can kill a lot of teams using camping and tunneling.

It's the streak part that's difficult. I'm willing to trust the wins are uninterrupted, but 300 hours isn't a lot for a player. If you get streaks the MMR is bound to send you against a SWAT team. When that happens, even getting one survivor would be a feat.

I'll check the video later if I have some time.

edit: I've fast-forwaded it. (I'm a Nurse main, it's a bit ... difficult ;) )

If you get rage-quitters and dummies like these, yes, I understand that you get "wins". But you aren't supposed to get only their kind.

edit 2: are you switching killers by any chance?

There is no chat at the end. I presume they were salty.

Short summary from his post because it was very long.

He has 300 hours on mostly survivor.

But because he wanted to do this he didn't want his main account so he made a smurf account and thus started from the bottom of the MMR pool, which will get you, well.............. Beginner players or players who play this game maybe once a week.

As many pointed out is that this only shows that low MMR it is killer sided and that these tactics work because everyone is new or basically new.

The best this he could have done was playing solely killer for say 300 hours before doing this experiment, so at least he gets a bit of survivors who already know a bit more.

Tho they mostly are still learning.