It's a bit silly to apply what the very vocal minority of survivors are saying to just 'survivors' in general. And any dev worth their salt isn't going to make changes based on said very vocal minority only two weeks after probably the biggest update meta-wise the game has ever recieved.

Plus some of the survivor criticism is perfectly valid. Tunnelling and camping are now for the most part easier. Solo queue is overall harder as it still needs QoL additions. I've seen a lot of people on this forum dismiss valid criticism under the pretense of 'oh you just need to actually get good lol can't rely on DH now' and it's so annoying, especially when it's aimed at survivors that have never even run the sodding thing.

I mean, a certain Sluz did, but does that really count?

No one on this forum has ever used DH, it had the highest usage rate of any perk but none of us used it okay? Stop talking about DH.

Fun fact, this forum contains more 3000 MMR players than it does DH users.

i almost always go for 2 hooks and let the survivors escape and survivors are STILL dcing (and I play demogorgon of all killers, literally one of the most fun to face).

inb4 my perks are too op: I use STBFL, Coup De Grace, Jolt, and Infectious Fright or Agitation + Mad Grit almost every game.

"Killers went crying to BHVR and now survivors literally can't escape"

"Survivors are just sad they can't press E to 'outplay' the killer anymore"

Yeah, both sides (some of them anyway) are being a bit tiresome atm

Can people PLEASE stop downplaying Dead Hard?

It had a 75% pick rate, which means every game was pretty much guaranteed to have two Dead Hard's at least. This could lead to extending a chase by up to 60 seconds, so even if those two Dead Hard users only managed to use it once each, that's 2 extra minutes. 2 minutes the other survivors had to freely work on gens without risk. 2 minutes.

The gen speed changes added 50 seconds to the total time to repair all 5 gens. That's less than 1 minute.

DH was by all definitions the most substantial effect to have changed in this patch.

yeah I guess the first hook facecamping bubba is making the game smooth as it has never been

especially now that it has effectively been taken out back and shot

good frigging riddance

No.

I just got out of a game where the ONLY Survivor that got hooked DCed on that first hook. There was 1 gen left, and I was 5 seconds from completing it. I started to go for the save, and they DCed. I was running Kindred as well: The killer was NOT camping them. They died on first hook at one gen left and a guaranteed survival.

Survivors has real complains about this update both camping and tunneling got huge buffs and using them means you win 90% of time. Ofcourse if you're very bad you could lose. Survivors definetely throw some games but that usually because the skill gap can be too big between killer player and survivor players. I just played match with bubba in game map and 3 survivors were in toilet room fixing gen and I downed them all with one chainsaw (had iri add on.) Then last survivor came to me and showed to down her too. This game lasted what 2-3 mins.

Quite opposite is decent swf who fix gens quickly and can loop well those games you still have to work for 3-4K. But if you tunnel and camp in these games most of times you win even if they're more skilled than you. But what I notice when I lose it's because I made mistakes maybe I didn't tunnel one out thinking I can win going for 2 hooks before finishing one off. Almost every game is winnable for killer but it means you have to play bit dirty too.

Ds was bad nerf for survivors it's encourages killers to tunnel one quickly out and even if you have ds now it does not give enough time to make it to safe loop and killer can easily catch you. 10s gen time increase and BBQ nerf makes it worth to just facecamp survivor on hook. I don't see reason why ds or otr disables at endgame. At that point survivor deserve to have chance to escape. If you want to tunnel survivor in less than 2 minutes out of games pick up ph and make survivor you go after torment himself then when you down him put him on hook and facecamp second hook for him and after he is saved count to 5 and down again then kill him with final judgement.

I never used dead hard my only issue is the camping and tunneling and the killer constantly hitting you on the hook

This has happened multiple times today. At 1-2 gens left.

I'm not complaining that I survived, I'm saying that people are DCing or throwing from hook in completely unreasonable situations where there isn't any logic to it.

As for the idea that they DC because they can't escape, I don't think that is the case either. I've already seen multiple DCs at 4 gens that simply didn't make sense. It's not like it took long to get to 1 gen done, but the first person (or second person a few times) on hook leaves anyways. In those scenarios, there is no way to know if it would have gone better if they had stuck around. Thankfully, the last match where someone DCed at 4 gens, the Killer realized what was going on and turned it into a farming match. Many, however, just go for the kills. I don't blame the Killer in that scenario, though, I blame the people quitting the moment something doesn't go there way.

Yes, some matches are pretty clear it's going to be a slog. Leaving early still sucks at that point, but in the very least, I get the logic. However, that's simply not the only scenario I have been seeing. Something has caused "DC when a bad happens" to become so normalized that it occurs regardless of the logic of the decision.

As soon as Dead Hard was mentioned, this post lost all credibility. Nobody is throwing a fit over the DH nerf. Survivors have genuine and valid complaints and all killer mains can say in response is "YoUr jUsT mAd ThAt DeAd HaRd WaS nErFeD" without providing any actual counter arguments to said concerns. It's just getting ridiculous at this point.

You mentioned it ^_-

This is truth. This is as accurate as you will get it without having been there yourself. I like to call the first 2-3 days the "all you can kill" buffet.