Anyone else hates the prestige showing in the lobby/post-game?

Well I mainly leave if i get a bunch of tier 1 hey they might be OP team but still I prefer a save bet

it kind of helps me dodge if its a baby survivor...(default skin, no prestige or just recently AoT but no prestige) but i do see your point in that it could be toxic but i wouldnt pay no mind.. who are they to tell you something if they"re literally playing the same game??

I just ignore it, Prestige numbers are pretty meaningless.

There's no real reason to show it in the pre-game lobby. I agree that the level is not an indication of skill (though the Presitge 100 I saw not too long ago was almost certainly a sign of a hacker, so I dodged that lobby), but you still are going to have killers and fellow survivors making judgements and exiting lobbies with higher level prestige. There's no reason that makes logical sense to have it show before a match.

After a match is an entirely different story. If someone has put a ton of BP into a character and wants to show it off, that's the place for it.

There's good reasons why BVHR got rid of showing ranks in pre-match lobbies -- it's mystifying to see how they couldn't see the obvious similarities with showing the Prestige levels.

I don't see the point really, people make assumptions about a players skill, even though prestige has no bearing on skill, just time played and accumulated bp. Someone with no prestige may just be using a character they didn't have an opportunity to P1 pre patch, i have a few, but i tend to play on my fave characters and just spend the points on the other character to get them up to P3 for their perks, while giving them items to use at the same time.

I think that ranks were attempting to capture skill, but both grade and new prestige are more indicators of time in game, and they assume people can differentiate. But as we all know, people don't. They could make it something completely arbitrary, like the number of cosmetics you have for a character, and people will use it as a measuring stick.

So I feel like they should actually display something that means something (but what? nothing currently really captures skill well), or show nothing at all.

So if I had to play someone for a daily that I never play, I'm automatically a bad survivor? Your logic kinda falls apart

No, must shame, lol

Two notes-

You say that "rank 21 and rank 1 is an objective mismatch", but wouldn't you agree that's missing the possibility that someone may have a comparable prestige level on other characters and they're just happening to play a different one for some reason this match? That's why this prestige number being shown is 100% untrustworthy as an indication of skill- it literally, simply is not an indication of skill, it's an indication of how much BP has been spent on this one character. You can't go off this "less accurate indicator" because it's not just less accurate, it isn't accurate at all.

Second, when you say "unlike every other MMR-based competitive game", what do you mean by that? Most games that have a competitive mode don't show your MMR for their casual/quick-play queue, so DBD is pretty solidly in line with the norm there.

To your first point: If somebody has put 21 ranks worth of BP into Hag, then presumably they see Hag as their primary killer, yes? So if they want to try out Hillbilly, who is rank 1, they would have a pretty good understanding of the basics of the game, but not real the kind of single-minded practice with Hillbilly that they have with Hag. I think anybody who has played killer more than a couple times will agree that killers work very differently from one another. Your Hag skills do not translate to Hillbilly skills. Map knowledge, predictions, and (potentially) looping might have some degree of cross-over, but every killer is expected to use their power to accomplish the game's goal and if you haven't sunk 100 hours into learning them, you're going to struggle against survivors who've sunk 100 hours into learning THEIR skill set.

It's certainly possible that they got all the perks/addons they wanted for Hillbilly and play him obsessively but spend all their points on other killers instead, but that's very much a though experiment. People do not actually do that.

To your second point: DbD does not have a Casual / Competitive dichotomy. There is only one mode. And that mode IS Competitive. There is no casual. All ranks and rewards come from the same pool. Thus: showing your mmr ranking ought to be the standard. Of course I can't speak to ALL Ranked games, as things vary from one to the next, but it's safe to say that the INTENT of a casual mode is to take off some of the pressure, allow for quicker games, and allow low-skill players a chance to play on a level that does not exclude them from the game as a whole.

DbD doesn't have that. So people use elements that imprecisely correlate to skill (ranking, costumes, meta builds, etc) to get SOME idea of how poorly matched the game was. We don't have the actual numbers, so we make assumptions that may be wildly off-base (that team of all four Claudettes who all have the exact same pay-store outfit on MAY have been four solo Q players who just coincidentally all bought the same outfit. Or maybe they were a SWF. We don't know, so we assume the worst!)

Transparency should be the goal, but because it is not, players use what they have. And in the case of the OP's complaint: that means leaving the lobby against an opponent who's likely played more in the last 3 weeks than they've played the game in their life.

This is a bit of an aside, but I thought people were saying survivors were quitting by the truckload because killer was so easy after the patch? If that's the case, why would you care about killer's dodging your lobby? Surely you got an instant survivor queue and you'll get another killer in a couple of seconds?

I find it interesting that when you talk about the casual/competitive split, you present casual as though it is the reaction to the competitive mode- there to play second fiddle to the default mode, competitive.

In my experience, it's the exact opposite way around. Casual is what games start with, casual is the default mode, and you only even get access to the competitive mode (when there is one) after you've sunk a bunch of time into the casual mode. If a game only has one mode, that mode is by default the casual mode, and if another mode were added that would be the competitive mode.

Which is pretty clearly the case in DBD! Our default mode doesn't have any of the restrictions that one would expect of a ranked mode, it doesn't have the ranks that would accompany a ranked mode (the emblem system, as it is not tied to your MMR, is a distinct beast- though I'll grant that it would be what gets re-tooled to be the ranks if we ever got a competitive mode, god forbid), and most importantly, it is the only mode that we have. Ergo, there's absolutely no reason to show a player's MMR, because that's the norm.

If there's no inherent suspicion that the matchmaker doesn't work, there's no reason to need to gauge your opponent's skill, so that's ultimately kind of a moot point. Though, if a bunch of people are lobby-dodging because of prestige levels, I could see an argument for removing it from the lobby- I'm just not sure if that is happening, people who lobby-dodge do so for a huge variety of reasons.

I'd agree that the matchmaking is flawed- not that it "doesn't work", but that it definitely has clear flaws that they're still working on addressing.

Here's my question: Is that then acceptable and okay if you could see your MMR? Would they stop working on improving the system?

So you agree that it wouldn't solve the problem at all, it'd merely give people more fuel for the fire of being angry about it?

I don't think seeing MMR is a good solution to the MMR system being flawed, and since there's literally no other reason to do it, they really shouldn't bother. They should just focus on fixing the system.

Dodging lobbies makes the problem worse, doesn't it? Dodging a lobby means the system has to start heavily prioritising speed, which means that the resulting match has a higher chance of being a mismatch.

All because some mostly unrelated numbers might indicate that your lobby is a mismatch, and only for the extremely brief window of time where that's even a slight possibility. The longer we live with this system the less accurate the prestige numbers are as an indicator of skill.

I don't like seeing it either.

First because I don't like the icons, but also because it's no one's business how much I prestiged my character.

I know prestige =/= skill, heck, rank =/= skill ! But I feel like it's at least a token of time spent in the game so some people are still going to use it to dodge.

I like being able to see my teammates's prestige not gonna lie I always dodge low prestige survivors in my lobbies and trust me my games have become way better when playing with actual high prestige good survivors that know what they're doing and not clueless.

MMR is hardly working and so inconsistent.

While playing killer I really don't care about the prestige of the survivors I am going against if it's some high prestige survs it's a good thing because I know I am not playing against complete baby clueless survivors and its actually gonna be a hard game with some difficulty.

BHVR has to do something about MMR we need to know more about it,if you want your game to have a ranked system you should let your players see their MMR,just like almost all competitive/ranked games on the market.

Maybe don't let the killer see the survivors's prestige but you should be able to see your teammates's prestige levels it made my SoloQ games so much more enjoyable and fun even if we lose at least we didn't die at 5/4 gens beceause of one clueless teammate on our team.

Wait... someone who sees my point of view...in this forum...uh, well... thanks? I'm not used to this, lol