Sadako is weak. What can we do with this problem?

So basically you wanna turn her into Wraith 2.0 when demanifested?

i got 2 ideas for sadako buffs

the one i like more is mainly based on condemned

getting manifest-hit (the spectral strike score event) causes passive build up of 1 condemned stack (so it works like holding a tape, but only for 1 stack). this would make sadako a pretty good hit n run type character, and add a reason to take and return tapes (since there is literally 0 reason rn)

next id make being max condemned make you exposed

and then id make it so tvs arent off for 17 years when she teleports, and increase the time that tvs remain off when turned off by survivors. this will make it seem more appealing to take and return tapes, since youll actually be doing something beneficial on top of removing stacks from the insta mori

maybe this would make her "op" but she is an m1, theres only so much she can do even with the ability to rancor a survivor in midgame.

the other way id go with buffing her is making her better in chase, and better with stealth

so instead of condemned buffs, itd remain mostly the same, but her passive phase last longer (so she is invisible longer)

making her a 4.8 while demanifested, or give her a small haste after manifesting to make that passive phase after manifesting less useless, or both

removing her lullaby completely, making her manifest sound a bit quieter, removing the extremely loud and directional teleport noises, making her speed boost after teleporting last like twice as long, and have her tvs turn on like 10-20 seconds faster

not having the bubble around survivors from the start of the match (only having the bubble there once you gain a condemned stack)

Largely there's not enough reason to take a tape. Sadako's tv cooldown is longer than taking a tape so often it's just better to let her teleport. The only time you really need to take tapes is if Sadako is running Iri Videotape, because that addon is really nuts with how it can basically keep all her tvs active the entire time unless survivor take tapes.

If you improve her teleport cd at base, she can teleport more often thus apply condemn more often and survivors will start to have a real need to grab tapes.

I would choose a few (2-3?) of the following:

Make Bloody Fingernails and/or Newspaper basekit

Remove Lullaby (this one feels necessary)

Reduce TV cooldown by at least 40% (also feels pretty necessary; 100 secs is a long time)

Make TP sound omnidirectional

Decrease manifesting time, or increase movement speed while manifsted.

Increase condemnation rate; add some impetus to take tapes. Currently like Pigs hats, but almost never activate and won't instantly kill you. So useless.

Have taking/carrying tapes inflict the exposed status (associating some risk with turning off TVs)

I think this nerf will happen. That build/strat all but demands slugging, which suuuucks.

Id say make some adjustments to condemned;

Make it more of a pressing matter to manage by reducing the benefit of using tapes

Remove the instant condemned gain from picking up a tape but increase the passive gain to make the action more dangerous with high stacks

Require tapes be placed in a deactivated TV to aid map mobility in exchange for the full effect, active TVs would still turn off but offer less condemned reduction

Very easy. Make everyone start with 1 condemn and make addon that builds it when healing base kit.

But again if you’re midchase why teleport out of chase to a TV you’ve already just chased someone away from? Even if your goal is building up stacks they’ve left that TV for the short term most of the time so the TV you want to teleport to next would be a different one. And if you’re teleporting out of chase you’re giving up on getting a hit or down or pallet drop, etc.

Mind you, I understand what you’re saying, I just think it’s not as important as the other buffs people suggest.

I'd just make her basic attacks add 1 condemn stack and see how it plays out. I think sadako is somewhat under-rated with add-on against soloq. I think I'll use a famous quote, they aren't seeing her hidden potential.

At least swap cd's. 100s when survivor turn it off (so codemn does build up) and 60s after ability usage so she has more presence and additional reason to take tapes...

Maybe even make them 90/50s

I agree that more teleporting means more stacks which leads to extra Condemned pressure. But if the main weakness is actually that Condemned doesn't build up enough a more direct way to buff that up is to apply passive buildup to all survivors over time similar to how the video tape works. You could have survivors without a video tape build up at one rate and survivors with a video tape build up more quickly than that for example. There wouldn't even be a need to tinker with the TV refresh in that case.

Sure. But we need to buff speed of codemn so, that survivors will interact with the tapes (also prevent killers from being able to camp your only tv). One of the solutions to that one is mine with messing with tv cooldowns. Other one was with (slow?) passive buildup. There might be other better solution to it though.

what I mean to say is that my win condition with sadako is being completed automatically without any input from the player using sadako. active build-up is more engaging then passive guaranteed build-up. I think that's largely why you sometimes get posts in regards to Tombstone piece Myer's and pig head-pop because it doesn't feel like you earn a mori. It feels more like mori itself is automatic passive ability. I like her mori system because it requires the most input out of the killer player to get it to activate despite it not being too effective overall.

that is sort of my point in both posts. You don't need to interact with the survivor with passive condemn. It works regardless whether you interact with the survivor or not. A close comparison is freddy dream world. You will enter dream world regardless if you do not see freddy for the entire game or get chased the entire game by him, thus my point that you will get rewarded with mori's without doing anything.

• Decrease her TV cooldown from teleporting from 100 seconds to 60 seconds, make her Well-Water add-on base kit, make fully condemned survivors exposed, increase the time to retrieve/insert a tape, make survivors who witness a teleport within 16 meters gain 2 stacks of condemned, and remove her lullaby.

Poor girl needs some love.

Copied from my nerf all S-tier buff all D-tier post, but relevant here

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The tape mechanic is either entirely ignored or abused similar to the old AFK pig style. Hopefully with these changes her basekit will be effectively increased without resorting to abusing fringe cases to be remotely effective.

First, I would have condemned progress at half the rate of active tapes when within range of an active TV and not in chase. This doesn’t stack if you are in overlapping fields, or are holding a tape. The Videotape Copy add-on now removes this passive condemned instead of TP condemned. Secondly, like the AFK pig change, the 2 furthest TVs are selected as tape return locations instead of only one. I think this might be enough, but if she needs more love then perhaps give survivors debuffs at levels of condemnation. I would have a simple hindered condition with 1 or 2% per condemnation level, except when fully condemned. I would then buff the iri Remote Control add-on to keep this hindered when fully condemned. For reference Clown bottles and Dream Snares are 15%, so the max possible slow would be 12%, or 14% with the iri add-on.

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To update my thoughts since playing against Wesker's semi-permanent 8% Hindered, I'd say the 1% would be worth testing. The 2% per level would likely be far too oppressive.