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Can Myers please be the next killer to be looked at?

TheArbiter
TheArbiter Member Posts: 2,781

He's in such a poor state right now, even if they just band-aid fixed him for the time being by making J Myers Memorial basekit I'd take that.

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  • Thusly_Boned
    Thusly_Boned Member Posts: 3,462

    I agree that he could benefit from an overhaul. He is situationally fun (tombstone piece, scratched mirror), but his basic kit is really limited and weak. He's just very, very uneven, and dependent on add ons to be anything other than really weak.

    I'd like to see him upgraded to a level commensurate with his horror stature.

    Plus giving him a visual overhaul like his map would be nice.

  • Chilli_man2400
    Chilli_man2400 Member Posts: 3,198

    I think the next killers getting reworked is Onryo and Twins

  • lagosta
    lagosta Member Posts: 1,871

    Onryo is not gonna get reworked anytime soon, unfortunately. She suffers from Myer's Syndrome where a small piece of their power (their innate moris with no hook requirements) carries so much of their power budget that they need to be kept in an underwhelming state to avoid snowballing out of control. Furthermore, she was just recently released.

  • Chilli_man2400
    Chilli_man2400 Member Posts: 3,198

    I did hear something that Onryo is the next killer getting looked at.

  • ThiccBudhha
    ThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,987

    It is subjective, I personally find him fun without add ons myself. Do not get me wrong, I am jealous of Tombstone and Scratched Mirror. Heck, even infinite tier 3 Myers. All very cool stuff. Love watching them. He is still fun, to me, even if he sucks donkyru.


    I am just saiyan that if they buffed him, I would hope he retains his simplicity. Kind of like the Legion and Ghostface "reworks" where they literally stayed the same tier, lol. Amp them up a little for their fans so they can freak out and pretend the killers will be good. But more or less keep them the same. That would be ideal, in my opinion.

  • C3Tooth
    C3Tooth Member Posts: 8,266

    He looks at you, you dont like at him.

  • DyingWish92
    DyingWish92 Member Posts: 807

    Buff base kit for Myers, PLEASE! Nerf the tombstone piece whatever.

    We've had a Halloween trilogy coming out since 2018, can we at least get a halloween 2018 skin if we aren't going to buff him??? Come on man.

  • lagosta
    lagosta Member Posts: 1,871

    we can only hope the sassy lost child gets some love.

  • lauraa
    lauraa Member Posts: 3,195

    I just hope we get to keep Judith's Tombstone, I'm fine with anything else changing.

  • skylustv
    skylustv Member Posts: 241

    They promised a Twins rework long time ago and we still didnt got it...

  • Chilli_man2400
    Chilli_man2400 Member Posts: 3,198

    They said it was coming after legion and Ghostface. But then we got the 40 perk changes so there probably in the next update after wesker or the one after

  • Marik1987
    Marik1987 Member Posts: 1,700

    There are killers that arent even fun in situationally, because they do not have different builds to go for. Myers can go for 3 or even 4 playstyles.

    Pig can go for different playstyles.

    With Sadako, you can go this Condemn-Way, but besides that, its all about Iri Tape.

    Freddy can only go for Gen Defense with his Gen-Teleport, Addons who give him wallhacks just like Amandas Letter or Mirror-Myers arent available.

    So for me, they need to look at Sadako and Freddy first before Myers.

  • Thusly_Boned
    Thusly_Boned Member Posts: 3,462

    Oh, I think Sadako and Freddy should be first up (I am a big JHorror/Ringu/Sadako fan, but she's in rough shape), but I can see a case for Myers being high on the list.

    Really, I think the licensed killers in general are pretty underwhelming. The only representation in near the top is PH (and probably Wesker), a few are mid-tier, and the rest are just kind of...bad. I think they have been given poor treatment.

    And Freddy...is probably the worst killer in the game rn, which is a travesty. I have a pipe dream that BHVR will acquire the rights to the classic Freddy, and we'll get an overhaul with a Robert Englund skin (w/voice lines), and classic survs (at least Nancy). That would be awesome.

  • Marik1987
    Marik1987 Member Posts: 1,700

    Wesker will become super powerful and really fun to play. I have no doubt that he is AT LEAST Bottom A-Tier.

    But yes, apart from Wesker, Pyramid Head and Demo, all license killers need help.

  • Norhc
    Norhc Member Posts: 575

    Myers is in a good spot though? There's plenty of killers more in need of attention.

  • blue4zion
    blue4zion Member Posts: 2,773

    I'd love to see more of his base stats at least changed with tiers.

    Maybe Tier 3 could also increase Pallet break, hit cooldown, or even movement speed. Make his tier 3 much more threatening if they keep his current playstyle.

  • Regulus47
    Regulus47 Member Posts: 450

    Honestly, I think he just needs his addons nerfed and he's mostly fine! Remove the tombstones, nerf infinite tier 3 to 60 extra seconds instead of infinite, maybe look at jumpscare mirror a bit to make it more interactive to fight. But for basekit I think he's pretty well designed. Maybe bring back that sound effect that lets you know he's about to go to tier 3 but I don't think I'd change him any more than that.

  • IIITweedleIII
    IIITweedleIII Member Posts: 1,018

    All I want are better chances to getting Scratched Mirror in the Web.

  • Shaped
    Shaped Member Posts: 5,996

    I wouldn't take people who think m1 killers are fine seriously.

  • Edilibs
    Edilibs Member Posts: 699

    There's nothing wrong with Myers besides the stalk bug where after you stalk it decreases a little otherwise he's fine!


    Myers has some of the best/strongest add-ons in the game!

  • Satelit
    Satelit Member Posts: 1,380

    Myers is such a 2016 relic.

  • Nathan13
    Nathan13 Member Posts: 6,983

    Yeah Idk I do think he needs some love but I also don’t have ideas on how he could be changed.

  • Dwight_Fairfield
    Dwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 7,575
    edited August 2022

    I'm a Mikey main and while I firmly stand on the opinion that he's not nearly as weak as some people claim (not even in the bottom four killers), he definitely could use some quality of life changes.

    I don't think they've done any changes to his power since 2016. Its almost like they're afraid to make any changes to him.

  • pseudechis
    pseudechis Member Posts: 3,904

    I don’t get the sudden push to rework Myers. He’s not as weak as people claim him to be.

    about the only tweak he needs is for stalk to slowly accumulate again on maxed out survivors so you’re not forced to prioritise eliminating a specific player to have a power throughout the game.

    Otherwise his power is great, it requires timing and skill to use well.

    His addons do exactly what addons should do which is either change up his gameplay entirely or apply a new threatening effect.

    Lastly his gameplay is thematically appropriate, a slow burn that starts with him creepily staring from the bushes and culminates in a killing spree.

    Can he be brutally gen rushed by a coordinated team, well yeah but so can any killer. If done right though you can interrupt that and snowball quickly into a 4K even against highly coordinated teams.

    The recent base killer changes helped him a lot and he’s better than people give him credit for.

    The key to playing him is 99ing tier 2 and popping tier 3 at the right moment for the down, if done right you can snowball it into 2 or even 3 downs.

  • Silasy
    Silasy Member Posts: 228
    edited August 2022

    2 days ago you were saying that Billy is still top 5 killer in the right hands, now you are saying Myers is fine and even his addons should be nerfed. Im not surprised.

  • Regulus47
    Regulus47 Member Posts: 450
    edited August 2022

    Bottom 5? No way. He's still got an on-command instadown, pseudo-stealth, vault/lunge speed increases and is good at snowballing, as well as having amazing perk synergy. He can turn the game around with one good use of Evil Within III like oni can, except he doesn't even need to hit people to get his power. Sure he's no nurse but he's better than people give him credit for.

    Your scratched mirror argument would be good if not for the fact that every jumpscare myers runs a map offering for these indoor maps, therefore guaranteeing that he goes on them. And I never said it was exceedingly strong, just uninteractive. Like you said he can't chase normally, which removes the most fun aspect of the game, and replaces it with cheap hits at random with no way to tell they're coming. Sure it's "scary" but it gets old very quickly. Every jumpscare myers game is the exact same.

    Myers never runs out of his power. If he's run out of his power, the game is over and has been over for a long time. And I never said to nerf his best fair addons, like the stalk rate addons and his finite duration addons. The warning change is just a quality of life change so it feels less miserable when you get 99d and one tapped out of nowhere because self care meg fed him stalk. But I think his power is very well designed so I don't think it should be changed more than necessary.

  • Regulus47
    Regulus47 Member Posts: 450

    If you don't think tombstone piece or infinite 3 murder myers need changing, I don't even know what to say. And for hillbilly, just watch Sofarex to see what I mean. This topic is about myers not him.

  • Silasy
    Silasy Member Posts: 228

    Tombstone Myers what makes Myers a bit better than Trapper or even Freddy. Infinite Tier 3 is not even that strong, just Plague's infection with a fast lunge and fast vault. Sure you can nerf these addons if you really want but Myers is already pretty weak and you should at least make his power a bit better.

  • Omans
    Omans Member Posts: 1,081

    Myers could use some love, yeah, but on the killer roster Nurse needs to be changed most of all. Like, by a lot.

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,956

    Missed you too lol. I’ll see you on discord later ;)

  • MeneLaw
    MeneLaw Member Posts: 341

    Noo ! Blight need an emergency nerf after maybe.

  • DEMONANCE
    DEMONANCE Member Posts: 861

    unless it's a rework for his power that makes him play differently and not just some tweaks (like ghostface) then he doesn't deserve to be looked at now.

    in my opinion myers is pretty boring to play you stand still --> you fill a meter --> you get an instadown, no skill no fun ways to use the power it's too bland even freddy has more versatility than this.

    plus going against him isn't the best thing either.

    i think they should focus on twins and deathslinger, two very creative and fun powers that are unfortunately nerfed to the ground and now they're left to rot.

    thankfully they mentioned looking at twins a while ago but when are they actually gonna address them? idk hopefully this year. but mikey can wait ( a tombstone piece nerf shouldn't wait tho)

  • FriendlyKiller
    FriendlyKiller Member Posts: 337

    I actually like the add-on selection on OG killers like Myers and Hag. Back then the game was more dynamic and unpredictable, you had to figure out what the killer was running and you could really surprise people with your builds. Modern Dbd plays it way too safe, yes we get new perks and killers, but rarely do they really alter the gameplay and if they do they get nerfed.

    Look at Reassurance, I never even got to try that one.

    Old school Dbd was way more chaotic but chaos beats mediocrity anyway in my book.

  • FriendlyKiller
    FriendlyKiller Member Posts: 337

    So.......You're saying you would NERF Myers? And that his basekit is A-ok? This is why survivor mains aren't taken seriously. I am curious though, what are your opinions on Artist, Pinhead and Nurse?

  • Regulus47
    Regulus47 Member Posts: 450
    edited September 2022

    As I've said, his basekit is very well designed and fitting for the character. I wouldn't change it much, if at all. What do you want to do, give him a projectile or a teleport? No. He's extremely accurate to the films, a popular killer even to this day, underrated in strength and above all, fun on both sides. All he needs is his problematic add-ons nerfed, and a tiny QOL change so it feels less miserable to be one tapped out of nowhere. Don't fix what isn't broken, I say.

    Artist is my least favourite killer in the game in her current state, but not because she's OP - she's the 4th best killer, yes, but I dislike her because of how poor her design is in practice. The idea of a Hyper Ranged Killer is really interesting, but in practice, her ranged ability is kind of lacking. It's difficult to land prediction crows, and it's interactive on both sides as well, but that whole aspect of "long-ranged pressure" is entirely negated by the fact you can just hop in a locker to get rid of it. I enjoy fighting artists that go for prediction shots through walls instead of mindlessly placing crow at loop and forcing you into it. It's like the difference between a Pyramid Head that goes for shots and a Zone Cone that just puts you into 50/50s and never shoots unless you're in an animation. Zoning is not fun for anyone, and neither is holding W. I've made a long comment about her before, but I think she is in dire (haha) need of changes. I would nerf her chase power (either make her 110% when at least one crow is spawned, or go the nuclear option and make direct crow hits not damage) and then reduce her crow launch cooldown dramatically, therefore making her the true Ranged Killer and strengthening her fun chase playstyle, while nerfing her boring zone playstyle.

    Pinhead is a strong killer in the right hands, but fighting him is ruined entirely by solo queue. Most pinheads are terrible at using their power, so resort to the Man With Box M1 playstyle and hoping the box carries them - which it usually does by sheer value of passive pressure. His difficulty is also very overstated, as you can just do a nurse and place the portal at survivors' feet to chain them. He also is very annoying to fight with the constant chains and slowdown. He is not fun in the 1v1 not the killer-beloved 4v1, so I'm not a huge fan.

    What do you expect me to say about nurse? She's an overpowered relic of the past that needs to be brought in line with the other killers. I will say that most people overstate her strength a little though - I think her and blight are about the same, both in strength and frustration to fight. I have to say though, I'm glad people are finally realising how easy she is to play. She was actually the first killer I ever properly picked up, which says a lot about her alleged difficulty.

  • _kostas_pap_207
    _kostas_pap_207 Member Posts: 453

    Wait when did they buff his stalk speed?

    Because that add on increased the stalking speed

    And also because now it is base kit this add on has smaller number right?

  • Laluzi
    Laluzi Member Posts: 6,233

    I completely agree with you - I just think Tombstone Piece goes too far. Being able to delete a survivor on your very first interaction with them is pretty no bueno in my books.

    Otherwise, yeah, I miss wild and versatile addon sets like Wraith's, Hag's, Doctor's, and Myers'. The modern selection is indeed very safe and tends to include few to no playstyle changing addons (like Trickster's ricochet blades or Pinhead's Engineer's Fang), just numbers tweaks here and there. And then you have sets like Pyramid Head, Freddy, or Nemesis where there's barely anything in there that affects the killer at all.

    Blight is probably the best addon set in recent history (both in power and design), but since that came on a killer who's already extremely strong basekit, some of his options get pretty nutty...

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,076

    He badly needs some work, but I think Onryo and Twins are next in line for some love.

  • TheArbiter
    TheArbiter Member Posts: 2,781