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Otz taking a break
He told on his live that he will be taking a break from playing the game, it's something about maps, cheaters + itens, he was taking something about losing matches that didn't seems fair. The void was called "first time since 2017 not having fun in dbd". I guess he deleted the void.
Additional data: he stoped trying to winstreak with Wesker after being sent to Eyre of crow, with a team that had 3 commodious toolboxes with 3 bnps and a purple medikit. After this match he closed the stream in the next day he opened the live telling that he didn't fell good playing the game anymore since there was tons of snipers+ cheaters.
He also told that he fells frustrated by seeing the game going in a direction and not being able to do anything for it.
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Well I don't blame him tbh. This games community has to be one of the most toxic and sweatiest communities ever seen in a "casual game".
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His winstreak was one of few things that kept the game fresh for him but the amount of snipers and cheaters and sniping cheaters was simply too much even for him.
Hopefully he will finish his Elden ring no hit run now
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No, someone asked him what he thinks abou the community and he answered that's overall people are great, but that everyone is always going to pay attention on the "dick steamer X" or the "dick streamer Y", he also mentioned that he fells frustrated in seeing the game going in a direction and felling that he can do nothing to helps.
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Maybe, I just hope that he can enjoy streaming something asides from dbd, it doesn't seems very healthy for him. also he closed his Wesker winstrak when he was sent to Eyre of crow with a team that had 3 BNP + a purple medikit.
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oh no our spiritual leader is leaving us? who is going to tell us how dbd works now? the existence of the guinea pig swarm intelligence is threatened
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If a loyal player takes a break, then it probably shows there are issues. I may not agree with everything Otz says, but hey...we all have our limits I suppose.
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He was a great streamer that provides solid data that devs did not + he always seemed to care about the game and the direction that it's taking. Don't know why u would be happy for that.
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Yeah, it's just kind disheartening to see that he's not having fun with the game anymore, I also fell kind unsure how this is going to affect the community in general, since he was the most important figure that we had by far, providing data and trying to alert the devs about the game health
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I'm not saying I'm glad he's taking a break, but it's certainly good for his sanity. I'm just tired of all these "streamer xy told us the truth and we stop using our own brain" posts. I will never understand why you always have to mention content creator in the forum to support your own opinion. Maybe that's why I react sarcastically to such posts.
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Well the reason why people mention others is because they familiarize with them. U will often see even outside of dbd people mentioning each other when discussing, because they agree with that X streamer, influencer, politic. Otz was one of the fell streamers that didn't have a "side" and provided data on both sides.
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I don't know why people instantly go to "this just goes to show you how bad the game is getting" when someone who's been playing for 5 years decides they want a break.
You know what would make me want to take a break from a game?
Playing it for 5 goddamn years.
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U got it wrong, I think the game is in the healthiest state its have ever being, and I play it since piramid head release. I'm just warning the situation since no one is talking about this.
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While one streamer taking a break is not that serious (no0b3 for example quitted like 1 or 2 years ago and nothing happened) if you pair it with plenty "I dont have as much fun as I did" threads and the fact nobody can exactly pinpoint whats wrong with the game paints a big problem because it looks like there are a lot of small/medium problems piling up instead of a huge one like a gamebreaking bug or perk like first iteration MoM/Undying (which could be solved with a massive nerf or killswitch, unlike a pile of small stuff which is much much harder to identify and fix).
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Cooking, reading and listening to music.
My brother still plays chess almost every day and has been doing it for like 35 years, Im sure he has more than 8000 hours in chess.
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You dont play the same Killer, same perks, same maps, same powers and against the same people either. My brother enjoys chess the same as he did 35 years ago. Its not a rarity for people to enjoy their hobbies for their entire life, my grandfather made puzzles for 60 years. I listen to the same groups every single week and those are not new songs since most of them are not active anymore.
P.D. you need to eat to live, not to cook and there is a difference between cooking something easy and fast like steak and making complex dishes, people who love to cook tend to make elaborated stuff, people who dont love it just cook wathever takes the less amount of time.
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That is in fact the exact opinion I have of the game right now.
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I have seen this before
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Ooooh no who's gonna praise the devs for their "pretty good job so far" ideas?
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I don't know why people are debating the 'state of the game' in general as a reason for this when Otz even specifically mentioned his reason is based on cheaters and snipers, which by and large only affect big streamers on a regular basis.
Debate the state of anticheat and the ban system by all means, but there's nothing about game balance in there.
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I dont follow streamers, but isnt otz experiencing and feeling the as true did?
Not that I care but I find it odd if otz gets sniped, sees cheaters and finds things imbalanced and wants a break is okay but if tru3 gets sniped, sees cheaters and speaks about imbalances everyone hates him...
Either way the game isnt balanced, especially when you consider items, maps etc. And it's no surprise people get burned out or annoyed... but it's not like we haven't been saying for years we need better balance in maps or even a better SBMM and anticheat in the first place
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Well good for him. The man deserves a break.
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Tbf 50 win (3k or more) streak shouldn't be doable. But if it because cheaters then i understand.
And also im not MMR hater, But the game really isn't the same since ranks gone. (when rank rests from 1 to 10 not to 5)
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The difference is their attitude to people who disagree with them
I'm not even saying this to criticise the other streamer you're comparing him too, their attitudes are vastly different and that's why people have issues with one and not the other
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hahaha tell me you've never played any other multiplayer game or very little without telling me you never have do it xD
as example Play League or CSGO for one year and then come back lul, this talk always "dbd is the most toxic game ever" babble ! not more not less...
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some dude doing a 300+ nurse streak shouldn't be possible, but it's happened
same thing with those ppl who do swf surv streaks.
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Final Fantasy 11. My first ever MMO, it just celebrated it's 20th anniversary. I have 28,000+ hours of play time over the course of 20 years playing. Still enjoy it.
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Can't blame him.
Worst thing is that the game already has mechanics to counter all that stuff. There's perks, challenges and all that show that the game has the information to prevent toxicity outright.
It would need a lot of finetuning, sure, but it's doable.
Would it lose the game all the 'players' that only play to feel good about themselves by being complete buttweasels? yeah, maybe, but it would be for the better.
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I cant really say, I get true is more serious but you cant discredit what he says because of it. Hes just blunt and dont care while otz is more cautious of what he says and how he comes across. For example otz will call someone chill or casual, true would just call them bad...
I was just highlighting the fact both long time streamers are having the same opinion, ones been mega open for years and otz it's now starting to have enough.
I dont play either, if been with the game since they have, verse them often too but I couldn't play this game daily forever. I always need a break from the BS lol
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Do you have clip for this? Last time i was watching him he said that he wouldn't be taking a break because he feels like that would be letting the cheaters/snipers win.
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Playing guitar, playing tabletops (for over 30 years now) and playing M:TG (for over 25 years).
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You must have missed this video. Snipers and cheaters are half the problem, but the fact he gave up the Wesker win streak is because of the balance. It's also why he wants to take a break. It's just not fun trying to play Killer and getting massively Gen Rushed so the match is over in three - four minutes tops.
Survivors just have WAY too much going on for them when it comes to "Speed Up". Speeding up Heals and Gens with perks and item stacking, coupled with large maps (Ormond, Erie Of Crows, Mother's Dwelling). That or coupled with maps that are INSANE God Pallet heavens (The Game mostly).
It doesn't matter how much slow down you bring as a Killer, it won't work.
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I don’t watch games on Twitch typically, I like the game but I don’t like it enough to watch someone sit and play it four five hours at a stretch. I do watch games on YouTube though since those are edited down to just a couple of matches, and on YouTube I used to watch Tru3 a long time ago but got sick of him complaining all the time about everything under the sun. Sometimes the complaints were valid, sometimes they weren’t, but it was constant. Just irritating to watch after a while.
Otz is generally a more positive personality. And he has videos where he talks at length about in depth strategy and things which, while they’re too long for my tastes sometimes, usually are indexed so if you want to see if he says something interesting about a character or perk or whatever you can just look it up. He’s basically a more entertaining creator than Tru3 in my opinion.
As far as the video this thread is about, it looks like its still up on demand, I’m not sure why the original poster said it was down. I didn’t watch much of it and I have no idea when he actually said he wants to take a break but the title of the video is something like “For the first time Since 2017 I’m not having fun in DbD”. I scanned to the middle where he played through a very close match where they got a four person escape against a really good Nurse and he seemed to be having fun, then he switched over to play Hades, and I didn’t hear him say anything off hand about quitting one way or another so he must have talked about it elsewhere in the video. 🤷♂️
Really the only unusual thing about Otz saying he wants to take a break is that he’s extremely prolific with DbD content. He literally just cohosted the Into the Fog stream last week and is in the Hardcore Survivor Youtube series that Dowsey and he and a couple other streamers put out which seems to be a full blown production. So if he’s burned out and wants to switch gears he’s probably looking to do it now that some major projects are done.
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It's not really about him being more serious, it's how he goes about it. He's said some things I agree with and some things I highly disagree with (Stuff like ruin being basekit, old Spirit being balanced and such)
Like I'm not trying to criticise the guy, but saying stuff like "they only face bad players and i don't because i'm amazing at the game" as a way of discounting people's opinions isn't the best way to put your ideas forward as correct.
DBD has made their careers, for the most part. I don't blame them for being upset that the game's lost its charm for them right now
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Pyramid *
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I know and I play Rainbow Six Siege. Siege feels more laid back and easy going than DbD does, I mean I get the occasional little kid that thinks he is the best player in the world and calls everyone trash or scrubs when they begin to lose
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Well true is a competitive player, if I'm not mistaken he came from fighting games? I cant stand them personally but it's a very highly competitive game especially when taken to tournaments etc.
So true is wanting balance for him and top at the highest lvl I never heard him say ruin base or hes amazing though. (I personally hate spirit changes, all I see is the same 2 high rarity addons, even versing true with them and it sucks) but they play at separate times so it wouldn't be a surprise if its different difficulties, plus they have different mindsets.
But I will admit otz is easier to get into and the information he gives on youtube is insane so lots of casuals will love that, true is just games from twitch put on youtube so honestly not that great. Both are okay people and both are experiencing similar issues which highlight issues the community has listed so many times
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Yeah, I feel bad for people being targeted by cheaters and stream snipers, that honestly sounds like the biggest issue for Otz right now. It’s got to suck just trying to play the game for your job and a-holes are going out of their way to ruin it for you.
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I hope that contributes to making BHVR realize they should maybe update their anticheat.
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Yeah I can only imagine, I get alot of cheaters and some days iv even had multiple cheaters for a week straight and I was getting annoyed (this was rare) so I can only imagine what's it's like to be targeted constantly.
I wish there was a better anticheat in the game, definitely needed as DBD has the reputation for cheaters being common which is just bad business
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Yeah I'd take a break eventually if I constantly streamed this game for 8+ hours.
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Look, I respect Otz and he helped make me a better Killer and deserves commendation for that, but ever since the 6.1 update I've started to disagree with him more and more.
I honestly feel like he failed to adapt to the new game. I watch his newest streams, and especially his newest build recommendations and I have a hard time agreeing with him. I feel like he approaches DBD as a competitive game, and it honestly isn't. DBD is a game where sweating is actually detrimental to the game, where shooting for "the win" makes the game bad.
A Killer who "wants to win" is going to bring 4 Gen slowdown perks. They are going to be as oppressive as possible. They are going to hook camp, tunnel, all of the things that make the Durvivor experience undesirable.
Same with Survivor though. Survivors who want to win will rely on SWF team mechanics, which IMO is tantamount to cheating, while doing their best to Harrang and irritate the Killer, destroying the Killer gameplay experience.
IMO, this is actually why they went for the 6.1 update, to try and alleviate some of these symptoms. While yes, any Killer who wants to bring 4 slowdown perks still can, and I'm not on board with saying they shouldn't be able to, they shouldn't NEED to. When I run Killer, I try to bring 1 or 2 slowdowns, while building up what I feel will be a fun and challenging experience for the Survivors.
A good example will be this video here OTZ made about a year ago.
Literally no slowdown in the build, it's a build made to try and arrive just as the Gen pops and create mayhem. Honestly, should Otz win or lose this match, at least everyone was able to actually interact with the trial and play around with the situation the "power role" presented them.
Think about the concept they are bringing with Make Your Maker, where one player creates a difficult situation and it's the other players job to deal with the situation. That's what playing Killer in DBD today is. It's here's what you have got to deal with, deal with it. Should the Survivors overcome your most dastardly design, well good for them, and if the Killer's implementation successfully stopped you, well then good for them. It's an appreciation for the other players actions that is missing from the DBD community. When I play Killer, and others escape, I am happy for them, especially when it was because they overcame rather than I failed. It means that I need to go back to the drawing board, analyze what went wrong, what worked well, and how I can do better. When I play as Survivor, I have to try to find the gaps, the holes. You've got to find the salvation, even if that salvation is being the last alive and finding the hatch. It's eking out that gate escape because I patiently waited for the Killer to patrol this gate and he got impatient and decided to spend just a little to long checking the other gate.
I can't speak on the other issues Otz is having because they don't affect me. I dont have to worry about stream snipers. I rarely run into cheaters and hackers. When I do go against SWFs, even though I do consider their coordination essentially hacking, it is what it is. That doesn't mean I wasn't able to chase them down, it doesn't mean I wasn't able to implement my plan. It just means they were being fed information they weren't supposed to have, but at the same time who am I to say people shouldn't be able to play with their friends? It's just a dirty little reality we as Killer's have to accept.
Maybe a little break from DBD is a good thing for Otz, it will give him the ability to hopefully change his view of the game and let go of these notions he's failed to let go of of the game that were potentially destroyed during the 6.1 update, and for good reason.
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Something I haven't seen people mention much is how telling this is for the state of the game. This isn't just a fun decision for a streamer.
Quitting your main game has massive impacts on your viewership and your income. Add to it that Otz is arguably one of the most devoted players to DBD with the kinds of videos he's put out and it really tells you where the game is at in its life cycle.
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Oh no! Sounds like he’s in danger of losing his Twitch shirt. 😓
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Very well written comment but unfortunately i think this will be an unpopular opinion.
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well otz is a likeable person so that probably factors into it
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Nah
I've played League, DbD is by far still the worst community
Other games might have more extreme cases of it but there is no other game where the community is so generally negative then DbD's
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I've popped into JRMs stream twice tonight and both times he was dealing with hackers. The sad thing is, people are blaming the content creators like they should be doing something about it when they literally can't. I can understand why Otz would be over it.
I get that BHVR have their reporting process and it works for them, but it's a very tedious process for alot of people. And when they report and then load into their next game and see more hackers, eventually they'll just give up and feel like there's no point in reporting.
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Honestly dont know why he didnt sooner. Different stroke for different folks i guess. Inevitably we all need a change of scenary. Farmet john did the same and he was much better for it.
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I don't think all that many people hate Tru3 at all. I actually feel sorry for him. I'm a former subscriber and I've said a couple times on this forum that he was dealing with this stuff last year and I didn't see a single one of his fellow content creators speak up. It was really only a matter of time before they got bored of Tru3 and moved on to others. He is clearly over the game at this point though and honestly should take an extended break too. But it's how he makes his living so I can't see him doing that.
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When Elden Ring came out I thought he would take a long break from DBD, but even during his first playthrough he was doing streams in between. I know most of his income comes from this game but damn dude.
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