BHVR just killed the game

and they ruined a couple of fun perks.

soul guard, Hex: Devour, rancor, and no mither

Man, I love coming to the forums after an update announcement and seeing in how many ways the '"sky is falling" this time.

I'm neutral on the whole thing, mostly because I've given up caring. Changes are made so much that it's pointless relying on any aspect of the game being the same as it was a few months ago, so I just roll with the punches and adapt as I can. I will say that it does seem that behavior has buffed, nerfed, and band-aided themselves into a corner, trying to satisfy two sides who will never be satisfied as long as they perceive the other side as having too much of an advantage.

Soul Guard is barely ruined. The cursed infinite pick up thing basically never happened and now you can pick yourself up without needing to be cursed. If anything the perk is better.

Devour isn't ruined. You still have the ability to instantly kill a survivor at 5 stacks, it's just now via the hook. While worse than straight up mori, it does allow you to trigger perks that activate when hooking a survivor. So kind of a net neutral change overall.

No Mither and Rancor are both nerfed by this, but they are both bad perks that won't really be that heavily affected by the change since it's not like people were running these perks before.

These are good changes current endgame and constant slugging for 4k is obnoxious, it's better than the last 10 updates, "they killed the game" but you're all going to play it anyway, just adapt

if you don't care: you don't get to talk about it. Simple. As. That. 🙄

The only one I don't agree with is the base kit unbreakable. Its rendered a lot of plays/killers/scenarios as useless.

Sure, just as soon as you become a forum mod and get to decide that sort of thing. Simple. As. That.

I'm all for testing it out, my concern lies with 3 main areas.

1) End Game: If your survivors have finished all Gens and are going for the doors, this will make any kind of endgame comeback extremely difficult unless your running perk.

2) Downing survivors under pallets: If the team is around, it's game over for you. While your trying to chase of the clicky's waiting for the pallet save, they just get up and leave.

3) Beginning a new Meta: Does unbreakable join Off the Record as part of the new Meta?

We'll see. Going into this with a open mind, but not feeling good about it, lol.

The whole idea is a load of BS, the moris as bp?! You can do better especially when you get more when you use a survivor pudding which is a YELLOW offering and gives mori than an iri mori!

Base kit unbreakable is the most rash move I have seen them make in a hot minute! 45 seconds? I'm surprised it isnt 20! 10! How about 5?!

This should have never even left the idea room.

Generally features added for testing in the PTB make it to the live game in some fashion, with the odd tweaks here and there. I'm not personally aware of any major features that didn't, the only scrapped proposed feature that comes to mind is the automatic ban system which was merely mentioned, not actually put forward in a PTB.

So this understandably has people very worried, considering this new system is a monumentally terrible idea.

Nobody asked for forced, unavoidable Mori's, not survivors, not killers, and if this restrictive system requires the implementation of basekit Unbreakable in order to function, which effectively eliminates any and all meaningful play around the dying state, with the knock on effect of needing to completely rework all perks that interact with the dying state (which can no longer be called the "dying" state), I have to wonder how this idea ever got this far into development.

It seems like a snowball of heavy handed fixes to correct for an idea that should have been scrapped long before it got this far.

This basekit Unbreakable would not be necessary without the Last Stand mechanic, and nobody wants this mechanic. It removes player agency, as a killer I can no longer choose whether I Mori or hook the last survivor. This is effectively robbing killers of a hook, and makes it impossible to score 12 hooks, on top of removing more than half of the pressure that slugging generates.

Simply making the yellow Mori basekit and nerfing the Mori offerings in some way would be a far more appealing change.

Yeah, not there best work I must say

Except the large portion of the playerbase on console who dont get the PTB and can only give comments on the dev notes.

Those dev notes should also really be pinned on the top of the discussion page so they are easier to find, so people dont have to link them in every thread.

To balance out survivors being able to pick themselves up within 5 seconds we have made it so killers instantly sacrifice a survivor to the entity when picked up. Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

Well said. The other mori offerings don't need a nerf. There is nothing wrong with them currently. If anything, they could go after potential tunneling instead of nuking slugging, as it's far more likely to be the tactic used if the killer wants to mori someone.

That said, after this update, I'm terrified to see what monstrosity they would create as an anti-tunnel measure.

Also agree very much on the player agency statement. And as survivor it removes the possibility of so many clutch escapes, ie crawling to hatch as the last survivor before the killer finds you, someone popping unbreakable, soul guard, power struggle, flip flop, deliverance, adrenaline, etc.

Just last night, 3 of us went down next to a gate from a Bubba chainsaw sweep, but one of us had flip flop and was able to wiggle free and pop the door. The game resulted in an exciting organic conclusion with 2 of us escaping. Under this terrible new system that would all be scrapped for what, a canned automatic cutscene animation that will be boring to look at a week after release?? Hell no, I don't need to test this to know it sucks.