Killer toxicity is through the roof - Why are you not fixing the problems?

Toxicity comes with toxic intenstions. Just camping, tunneling, slugging or builds alone aren't toxic. That AND hitting ppl on the hook, nodding, etc. would be toxic. But without, these are just needed strats / clusterfixes to bad game game balance in higher MMR. I see no difference in survs tunneling gens and killer tunnel survs. MMR did this, it's just both sides playing their objectives as sweaty as possible. Also it's a result of survs acting toxic when they win after killers actually played fair. I'm looking at you, tbagging survs in the exit gates.

Something dosnt add up

How long do it take to die on a hook ??

If the killer was facecamping, that means that you have 3 players free to do gens.

How long does it take to solo a gen?

Facecamping killers do the survivors a favor, use that advantage.

So people playing to win, even if what they are doing is unnecessary, is toxic?

I don't think you understand how silly that sounds. People can play how they want, bring anything they want, because it is literally just a game, and you are quite literally judging the contents of one's character based on their actions within a game, it's an awful things to do.

^ This is an old post I made, but I feel as if it still holds relevancy to something like this.

Also, if you do not like the state of the game, if you are tired of facing people that camp and tunnel, you are better playing something else. Recently, I have been playing other games (such as Warframe) to try and prevent burnout but also because cheaters have become too much of an issue atm for me to play the game, I would recommend taking a break from DbD every now and then to avoid frustration similar to I have, doing the same thing over and over knowing that it will cause frustration is not healthy to do.

Harassment and community toxicity was a huger issue back when the game started in comparison to now. DbD's community was smaller, but as a result you could basically be kicked out of the community for not following the rules at the time, it was made even worse when DbD on PC started to develop blacklist programs and such to prevent people from finding matches with people, since dedicated servers did not exist at the time. I had friends in the early days that struggled to find lobbies because of blacklist programs combined with the matchmaking not really being that good at the time, basically making the game unplayable.

Modern DbD is just a former shell of what it was, BHVR removed those resources or found ways to make them not work, so no one could enforce the rules anymore. The community just became more verbally abusive as a result of this, which as a result made the issues within the community a lot more apparent. Another thing is because it was older DbD, you have the community traditions and ideals passed onto new players over the years, which just furthers the issues and divide within the community. While not pleasant, I would argue that it's at least playable, which is a hell of a lot better than it use to be.

You don't close hatch when you find it because a LOT of survivors in that situation are camping exit gates.

You don't get a free escape because you are last man.

You never now what caliber of survs you get at the start, most of the time. So especially tunneling 1 early out is the best strat a killer can do. It's like doing the middle gen first against most killers. If a killer starts to camp/tunnel/slugg too late, they get nothin than a 2K. The gen number ingame says nothing. Even it's says still "5", 3 gens could be almost done.

Also tunneling/camping/slugging can backfire very hard, you need to know WHEN to do it.

Finding the weak link in the team is the key. And if they don't have any, good luck!

"The killer camped on-top of the hatch and when I ran into the room, he slammed it in my face. Why? Just slam it when you find it?"

I don't run to the hatch, I listen to the terror radius first (Unless is a stealth killers then ggs lol) stay still for a moment to see if the killer is moving around. If the killer is not moving then just go do a gen, which is the third option you have. Either run to the hatch, get chased by the killer and die. do a gen, which will force the killer to close the hatch. Or the last option, beg for mercy by offering the killer whatever items you have, lol.

I think in general is harder for killer to express toxicity in a game given their tools, than it is for survivors. It's possible, sure, but to go as far to say that the killer's collective hive mind's toxicity is "through the roof" is a bit much.

Most of the toxicity in both sides is actually, typically shown in the end game chat. Easily avoided.

However you seem to consider a lot of things to be toxic or scummy, when they are actually not.

Sure, camping, tunneling and hatch camping aren't exactly classy, but they are all legitimate strategies to a varying degree of success.

BTW, you might not know this, but hatch camping serves to prevent the survivors from escaping the match through the gates, so as to ensure a 4k. Why would the killer want that is anybody's guess, but it's certainly not toxic.

I recently had a game where it could "looked like tunneling but wasn't". It was just me having the bad luck to keep running into the killer. Even after he noticed and left me slugged so I could be picked up, once I was up I ran right into him again. We had a laugh about it in endgame chat.

Ok, that's messed up. I always close if I see the last survivor because that's all the information I need.

Once more, in case it might sink in, this is just *your opinion* of what is necessary or not - you assume that everyone agrees with you and that's clearly not the case, judging by the responses to this thread.

So okay, you can delude yourself that you're right and everybody who disagrees with you is wrong or you can accept that you're not the sole arbitrator of what is necessary or not and therefore what is toxic or not (by your personal definition). Entirely up to you.

Most killers should be struggling though. We can fix MMR for survivor, because good survivors don't deserve to get placed with bad teammates constantly. But with killer, you're just going against people on your level. Unfortunately, killers can't beat survivors who are on their level, except at low MMR where survivors don't even do gens. You can be flawless in chase as killer, but because the survivors were efficient on gens and ran to strong loops that you can't mindgame, you get 3 hooks and everyone's out. I think this whole "boosted killer" talk I've been hearing recently is blown way out of proportion. The only killers getting boosted are the ones who get bad survivors, because then they can get away with playing Freddy with Pop and Ruin. You know, meme stuff like that, because they don't get punished at all.

If you have perks that are solutions to your problems and then don't use them then that's on you and you shouldn't complain. Survivors have much more flexibility in what they can bring now so it is very easy to free up a perk slot to counter tunneling or camping if they are so common.

You wouldnt understand that as a survivor main. But when a toxic bully swf gets in your head, you dont think rationally and usually the next squad takes the heat for your sweat. It is what it is.

Yes I absolutely can claim my experiences as a killer. You telling me that that doesn't happen absolutely doesn't change the actual fact that it happens to me every single game at high mmr. There is ALWAYs a clicky or tbagger.

Which ultimately results in less people playing Hag (already seen people cherrish that) and more people playing Nurse and Blight.