BHVR, why is there a loophole around the DC penalty?

Is it because not everyone is comfortable with talking to complete strangers?

or because they don't want to go through the hassle of making DBD work with a group?

or because they don't have friends willing to subject themselves to the experience roulette of DBD?

I have been proposing the HUSK-system as a solution to DC and suicide for a long time. As a matter of fact, there has been no follow-up, although the developers have stated that they are working towards releasing it.

1. first, remove the DC penalty.

2. players who DC will leave HUSK and the game will continue; HUSK will be controlled by AI according to MMR.

3.This allows a player who has been crying on the hook and pretty much killing himself to make a DC and end the game without inconveniencing other players.

4. however, if you frequently DC to HUSK, you may need to be penalized. Like a decrease in efficiency of getting Blood Points on the game.

There may be a better way, but I support this feature.

This topic is a wash, but I was curious about your response specifically. Survivors aren’t a team in DBD, but... if they were how would no ‘mid-game’ deaths look? Killers pressure matches by scoring early sacrifices. Survivors lose pressure in these situations. If survivors didn’t die in the early or mindgame it would stop killers from applying pressure, no..?

My issue with this suggestion is that if I’ve 2nd hooked a survivor mid-game and they die from that hook, I wouldn’t want them replaced by another survivor—whether AI controlled or not. That survivor is gone now, so the match is theoretically easier for me; as it should be.

As a survivor, what exactly is this ‘bonus’? Is it a buff to get repair speeds, healing, the number of hits I and other survivors can take—all things that are influenced by the presence of a functional survivor. Or is it just a few bloodpoints to compensate for the early game loss? Since survivors generally earn fewer bloodpoints than killers and have a much tougher time scoring emblems, are these rewards reconfigured in a way that reasonably synchronizes with this suggestion?

These are questions and concerns that need answering.

Oh, yeah, well from the way it sounded from the post, I thought he was saying they couldn't even DC

Maybe he wants a real game??? Killer's want survivor's to not dc because it ruins our game as much as the other survivors playing. Always gotta make it an us vs them bit.

Oo, since when?

One is getting sacrificed via in game mechanic and the other is a connection loss.

Differentiating those two should be easy as the game registers a normal death.

Different reasons for DC, those are impossible to differentiate except if it happens from the server side.

Sorry but that's just idealistic wishwash. There will always be something in a trial that someone doesn't like and will use whatever underhanded tool the game gives them to grief or leave.

I don't like a dozen champs in league to play against as a certain character but can ban only one.

In r6s there are always a few operator you don't want to see in the enemy team on certain maps but have only limited bans.

In overwatch there will always be people playing the hero that counters you or you don't like.

And in DBD there will always be someone unhappy with the killer they face, the perk that the other side has or the map they got.

You can't make it perfect for everybody, which is the reason for the DC penalty in EVERY of those games. But DBD is the only one with a loophole for ONE side that also screws over the rest of their team.

@SuzuKR how about simply applying the DC penalty for deaths in the first 90-120 seconds? It's impossible to die in that time without actively giving up except maybe hook farming but for that they can simply deactivate the penalty if the game detects an unhook.in that time to avoid hook farming DC abuse.

I'm more interested in pursuing the bot system.

You can't stop people from cucking over their team. Like @SuzuKR said, some people will do it for anything and nothing will make them stop.

You can, however, minimize the damage. The more I've read here, the more I've come to the conclusion that we are trying to achieve the same thing through vastly different means. Others would rather make it difficult and punish it extremely harshly, which is fair, but that won't make a difference to those players.

I'd rather investigate a bot system that replaces a teammate after they DC or suicide on hook. Obviously, there's some fine tuning to be done with the idea, but I really do think after that fine tuning is done, everyone will be happy. Killers won't get screwed out of BP, Survivors can have a chance to, you know, win and the person leaving gets to, well, leave.

I'd rather have a bot that's trying it's best over a teammate who doesn't want to be in the match.

Sometimes you need to leave the match because you have other stuff that you need to do. And sometimes you are having a horrible time playing a match and just wanna go to a better one. And sometimes you get a nurse or a pinhead on solo q and you don't want to deal with that.

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They game even has different symbols for connection loss, sacrifice and bleedout/Mori, what are you talking about?

If a survivor is on a hook and they suddenly DC, does the game not count that as a sacrifice? Or is it still a DC? I could've sworn it counted it as a sacrifice because it played through the same animation

Well for the record it wasn't directed at anyone it was a general statement, but I understand many like to think everything is about them.

This. It's pretty much the end of the discussion. Whatever reasoning/methodology that will be thrown up to prevent DCs/suicides, at the end of the line the player that wants out is not going to play towards the outcome you want.

I got stuck in a match as the 4th player in a 3-player SWF that just wanted to troll the killer, and was going up against a crazy good Nurse. A few mins in I was hooked and done. Tried to suicide out, the SWF kept me on the hook with Reassurance for as long as possible then unhooked me. Nurse went for me instead of the unhooker, hooked again. The SWF player came back, hit me with Reassurance again, waited almost the full second hook stage, then unhooked me again. I stayed at the hook, the Nurse realized I wanted out, then ignored me. I parked in the basement to soak up passive BPs and played another game in the background until the other three were hooked, then waited out their hook timers while walking around to get rid of the AFK crows. I was running Clairvoyance and had cleansed a totem early on, found the hatch, escaped. Enjoyed every second of the vile spew from the three salt licks while the killer laughed at them, moved on to the next trial.

So what would happen in the same situation with the OP's suggested changes? Not much of anything different. AFK on hook for however long that takes to die and do something else (another game, Netflix, YouTube, FB, etc.), or get unhooked and go AFK if the killer won't hook me again. If the other survivors are being particularly annoying maybe do something passive/aggressive like follow them around while sprinting, cleanse the totems their boons were on after the killer snuffs them out, collect all the items from chests and hide them, self-heal beside them while they work on gens or hang on hooks, throw all the pallets so the killer can just get rid of them right away, fail skill checks on gens they're repairing, etc.

However it goes, the fact is it'll ultimately not go the way the OP and similar players want, no matter how hard they want it and whine/moan about it. No amount of changes or punitive action is going to deter it, and the more irritating the changes get the less players will play. With the state of the game as it is, with BHVR having to throw double BP bonuses most of the time just to get enough of a particular type of player to even play, they wouldn't risk losing more of the playerbase. It's the same as them not making any changes that would limit SWFs.

TL/DR: Never going to happen. Do yoga or make a mini desk Zen garden to enhance your calm and get on with your life.

Its not problematic, sometimes internet malfunctions. It doesn't happen often, but when it happens it tends to happen once or twice right when i play. I play online just fine most of the time. I never get more than 15 minutes of restriction.

If the game wasn't in such a miserable state generally speaking in solo q a lot of players wouldn't feel the need to suicide on hook so they can get to a better match. Does it suck when someone does it on your match? Of course, but i can't blame anyone for doing it now a days. I dont do it myself too often but when im having a terrible time i dont see why i have to force myself to play a match im not having fun in when that's the point of playing the game, to have fun. Devs have to fix their matchmaking system and stop making undesirable changes and suicides will start happening less.

Because they can't accept losing?

I see DC's and suicides alot in my survivor games and its probably because people don't want to play againt certain killers who arent fun and tbh I can't blame them. I don't think either one should be punished by a penalty, but maybe something else as it does esentially make the others chance of escape 0

There are numerous problems with soloq, and this is one of them. Just because someone would participate in one negative aspect doesn't mean they cannot dislike other negative things. They just cannot vocalize their displeasure with the same type of thing they participate in without the risk of hypocrisy.