Dead Hard Rework = Failure

The single thing people were angry about old dead hard was the fact that the killer couldn't do anything to prevent players from doing their ridiculous two-steps-faster dash that could grant them enough distance to extend the chase for a while longer by reaching a far away palet or window. Every single comment, and I mean *every single one* I read was about how broken it was that you could discount-sprint burst mid chase, a.k.a "dead hard for distance" and that's what the rework was set to fix.

Disabling the perk or any other normal gameplay interactions like dropping pallets every time the user is close to something that could further extend the chase is about as stupid as disabling a one-time use perk like Decisive Strike in the end game (which is still probably one of the most stupid decisions they've made and I'm still baffled it made it to the live servers), because it's not about being "fair", you just don't like losing.

Besides, something isn't more or less skillful just because you say so. Old DH could freely be used to extend the chase at any point, which requires less skill. New DH has a tiny 0.5 window of effect where it does anything and can be wasted, it requires more skill to effectively use.

The fact that the timing on when to use it could potentially cause a lose-lose scenario to the killer only makes the play more skillful, and still requires a sprinkle of luck and some game knowledge to correctly lead the killer to the pallet and land exactly to the right spot to force the lose-lose situation. Arrive too early and you may lose distance trying to force the situation. Arrive too late and you just used DH normally and the killer can essentially wait it out.

So, what you're talking about is a very specific situation that, if a player has managed to successfully execute, requires more skill than any other use old dead hard could have had.

OP does not like getting outplayed by dead hard. He wants dead hard to be disabled when survivor is within 5 meters of a pallet/window.

the successful version of dead hard rework is being useless.

How's the fishing?

I disagree with your propsed change.

However, I do personally believe Dead Hard is now a better perk than it was prior.

It doesn't look like people are struggling to get value out of new Dead Hard, so I assume the only thing that is holding it back from being as popular as old Dead Hard is its anti-synergy with Deep Wound. The perk is significantly LESS effective against a tunneling camper, making Off the Record & Lithe a more attractive combo for survivors trying to prepare for the worst case scenario.

People definitely said those things.

Heck there are still people on this forum claiming old Dead Hard wasn't an issue and that it was unfairly nerfed.

Current Dead Hard still has the biggest issue old Dead Hard had - it just isn't fun to play against every game.

Alright, you can't be reasoned with, good to know

Well, I don't know what to tell you at this point other than skill issue if you are getting looped for an extra 30+ seconds

Also I never realized telling someone to calm down was an insult, I'll have to take note of that, have a good day 👍

I'm a killer main and have complained about Dead Hard since I started playing during Chains of Hate. That said, I do think in the vast majority of scenarios Dead Hard is both completely fair and considerably worse than it was before. While I understand it is stronger in a few select scenarios and I think it still is good enough to be a meta perk, I see little reason to complain about it most of the time.

I think the issues some people have with new Dead Hard may be exacerbated by the sheer number of people who probably have things like auto DH and other subtle cheats that give them an advantage. Overall I think the devs did accomplish their goal, which was to make DH actually effective at its intended purpose while removing its other utility, being on-command distance and a hard counter to some killer powers.

If you want to hit someone using DH to get to a pallet now, you actually can wait it out if your timing is really precise. Since they can't drop pallets while in the animation, you time an M1 to hit at the exact moment the animation ends, and you'll end up trading with the pallet drop. It's very strong still, but for the most part it's fair.

So... there is no evidence. I'm inclined to think that the tv/monitor or other factors would have a bigger contribution than the actual platform. If there are any actual input delay tests for the game though I'd love to see them.

1: The pick rate is not going "through the roof" considering it plummeted after the initial change and, according to the stats, still has not yet returned to anywhere near the frequency it was before.

2: I already said Auto DH is both a problem and probably more commonplace than people would think, especially when you're looking at content creators that are frequently targeted by the stream sniping cheats.

3: You're assuming people are always playing insanely focused and tryhard, and if you're using killers like Otz or other content creators as an example, that just isn't the case. They're invested in entertainment value, meaning they balance their attention between chat, commentary and the game fairly evenly. When you watch them on stream, the bulk of the time they are not investing their full attention on the game and tryharding unless they're going for challenges, like win streaks.

4: Because the scenario of someone having the exact distance required that a .5s invulnerability is enough to make a pallet is relatively uncommon, it's also fairly difficult to get practice for.

On a purely technical basis, considering you can very reliably force pallet trades if Dead Hard isn't present, then there is inherently a window during the pallet drop animation in which a survivor can still take damage. Dead Hard happening before that does not change that time window whatsoever, since all it is is swinging at the beginning of the pallet drop animation before the stun hitbox comes out.

Every time i fall for a dead hard i can see how i couldve avoided it. And no, i barely even play survivor

The timing is not always the same. You really need to analyze the killer youre up against. If he swings at you from a bit further away, his mistake and you get away DH. If hes right behind you (basically sniffing your back) and is hesitating to swing, you have to be really lucky and guess when hes going to hit you

No, this works even better now. If you see the dead hard animation, the 0.5s are probably already over and you can swing because remember they cant drop the pallet during that time. So there is a small window where you can hit them (some luck involved but not impossible).

The dead hard rework wasn't a failure. It does what the devs wanted it to do now. Be a third health state, and doesn't have a 40+% pickrate anymore. Just because dead hard is still a strong perk and not garbage tier doesn't mean the rework was a failure.

This version of it actually has an answer for that, including when they use a script to auto deadhard: Miss on purpose. Swing wayy over their head. Add another layer to the mindgame instead of lamenting it.

Remember, they can't put down pallets or vault during the animation. block the pallet and interrupt their routing to get a fast vault at a window and suddenly they are dead harding into nothing.

Actually in one of the dev streams they mentioned Dead Hard by name before ever announcing the 40 perk update, and directly stated that they believed it to have too much utility. In that dev update you reference they're talking about the entire 40 perk update being a meta shake-up, which is not specific to Dead Hard. And its usage rate definitely did fall a considerable amount despite it still being popular.

I still see it nowhere near as much and the bulk of players I face range anywhere from 1500-4000 hours. I see it on average maybe 1-2 times per game (purely anecdotally) compared to my prior of 3-4 before 6.1. And yes, I understand it is down across all levels, but its usage still dropped by around half at all levels, meaning there is most definitely some inevitable decrease in high level since it was predominantly used in high level to begin with. Even still, even if I saw 3-4 every game it's nowhere near as bad as it was before because in the majority of scenarios if you get hit by it it's relatively fair.

Not to assume I know literally anything about you, but being honest your argument of "high level survivors are still using it and maybe you just don't know" comes as a direct assumption of my skill level and IMO comes off pretty similarly to the argument I see so often on the forums, being "you don't face the comp squads I'm facing every game" which from my personal experience with people is also usually an overestimation of one's own skill level.

I mean dead hard is super easy to counter. I miss a lot of DH triggers as survivor but as killer as soon as i realise a survivor has DH it's so easy to bait out. It's hardly "uncounterable"

So more anecdotes and not evidence. Again, I feel like you might be attributing it to the wrong place, since the input lag could be different between each platform the game is on, but it will still be minimal, and certainly not just pc vs everything else. I'm also not saying this specifically to say you're wrong or something, as I am interested in what the input delay is on each platform as well.