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the third health state
so this deadhard fine perk high risk high reward whatever. the reason im here is cause of scripters, played another fun game of what i assume was SWF and all of them were scripting DH very fun it was one of the funniest things ive ever seen so incase you don't know these players can perfectly time DH when the killer swings with some cheating tool very subtle but if you catch on like i did there is a counter... intentionally missing i was playing some freddy already a tough one and they all scripted DH id wait for literally 10 seconds before hitting with almost all of them and they wouldn't fall for it till i swung now either all 4 were the most godly Dh users in existence or they were all cheating... of course they were cheating they all played like garbage couldn't loop fell for stupid ######### 3 man bodyblocking and fails but the DHs *chefs kiss* perfection which was annoying cause you know im playing freddy anyway i got wise and started missing wouldn't even look at them during chase idlook away and swing and they would DH so it made for an easy game just baited their one cheat so if anyone out there finds something like this with perfect DH maybe try missing during chase just to check.
Also the funny thing i saw was i was tunnelling this one guy who was following me around with a flashlight all game as cheaters do and on his last hook the other 3 tried body blocking while injured and honestly pretty ballsy and stupid thing to do right while injured not if you have the secret 3rd health state the scripted DH but the thing that was hilarious and confimed they were all cheating is they all got in front of me while i was chasing the other guy and i swung away from all 3 of the body blockers and they all in perfect sync DHed and the same time XD then i slugged then out cause Dh was on cooldown and they all sucked in chase ggs :)
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Yeah auto DH is obnoxious, but luckily not too common. BHVR said they would improve anti cheat next, but I doubt they'll be able to fix this.
On the bright side, you barely lose distance if you miss on purpose due to the slowdown they get.
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How do you know they were scripting dead hard?
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It's noticeable when they do the dead-hard animation frame perfect every time you go for an attack, even if the attack is not directed at them, but they happen to be close (like for example when you try to hit a survivor next to them).
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So them doing it good = scripting? We cant just assume everyone who plays good is hacking.
Sure, there a lot of subtle hackers right now, which are worst imo because you cant be 100% sure to report, some people are just good.
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I'll link to this video and suggest that after watching it (especially at 3 minutes), you read my comment again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaQmtvlCJqM
Have a nice day in the fog.
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No what they mean is times when you don't even target the survivor that used DH or situations where there is no point to use it.
For example I'm chasing a Nea and a Dwight, the Dwight was unhooked by Nea and to be fair I go after Nea. Theres at least a Survivor and a half space between them and I attack Nea, my stain is on Nea not Dwight and once I attack the Dwight DHs at the perfect moment to avoid the hit but I was never targeting him.
The other Situation I have seen is I'm chasing a Dwight and he jumps a window but I try for a lunge. I'm a few secs late and he's on the other side but when my attack would connect the window he DHs when there would be no reason to.
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I read your comment, I still disagree. Just because someone times a dead hard good doesn't mean they're scripting. There's no concrete proof. That Otz video isnt proof either.
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Well I'm sorry, but it's the truth: you didn't read my comment properly and then tried to put words into my mouth.
I described a specific scenario in which it's quite easy and reliable to identify what Otzdarva called "Auto Dead Hard". I said nothing about "being good = hacking". I'm not in the mood for comment-tirades, so I decided it would be easier to just share the video.
Alright, since you apparently categorically dismiss this, I'm not inclined to continue the conversation. As far as I am concerned, I will report people doing shady stuff like in Otz' video. See ya.
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So you're gonna report people without concrete proof that they're hacking, alright.
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So you think those occasions are just 100% proof they're scripting and not just using dead hard by chance?
Because for me that's like when someone is hiding in a locker, and the killer happens to search that locker right away instead of others. It's not proof the killer is hacking, it's coincidence.
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The more you double down the more I'm convinced you're not actually processing the argument.
If they drop a pallet and you swing on the other side and they DH that's a script.
If you're on the other side of a T and L and your swing makes them DH that's a script.
If the bodyblock is clean and they DH the instant your lunge starts that's Amore (Script)
I only ever considered you a disaffected SoloQ player, but this is some pretty weak critical thinking out of you.
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I didn't double down though. Nothing in my comment was me doubling down on my opinion. I just don't think those situations are 100% proof someone is cheating/hacking/scripting/whatever.
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Making someone use DH multiple times, frame perfect, when there is 0% chance of the attack connecting is about as picture perfect proof of scripting as there can possibly be.
This really reads like you're being intentionally stubborn and I'm not sure why. Noone is shitting on soloQ in this thread.
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You're protecting a clear auto-dh scenarios is so sus to me. =)
If you think otz proof isn't enough... Read this, please...
I'm playing a lot of games as a Hag, and I have at least 3 out of 10 games with subtle cheaters, due to my mmr.
Recently, I was having 2 characters in different matches: Ada and David. Now try to protect this scenarios...
- I knew that David have a DH, coz he used it before, so David stepped while injured on a trap while I was busy drawing one, so it took me a good 1 second to teleport, when I teleported he was quite far from me to hit, but I still lunge due to muscle memmory (insta teleport hit), guess what? He used DH out of no where being far from me right at the same time as I just started a lunge. He was using DH perfectly before, while he was pretty bad at looping.
- Now with Ada on another match... Same thing: I knew she has DH, and she was injured, I was chasing her to a pallet, and then she dropped it. We end up at the different sides of a pallet just staring at eachother, then I decided to M1 this pallet to scare her away, guess what? She used DH for 0 reason, again at the same time with my M1. She was on the other side of a pallet, why using DH?
No matter how much I wait for DH in these 2 games, they never using it, when I don't M1. And these 2 guys using DH perfectly even without looking behind. This is nonsence.
I'm reporting every single such situation, I know, there is A LOT of auto-dh users.
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I'm not protecting hackers, if that's what you're implying. I've reported multiple hackers before and I have even posted various threads about the hacking problem.
I stopped reading after you claimed I'm protecting hackers.
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Yeah its hard to know when people are 100% scripting and i've seen many times people accuse each other of cheating when clearly nobody was using any. Hell i get accused of cheating at least once a week.
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if you know someone is scripting dead hard just make a stupid lunge away from any pallets or windows and they'll do it involuntarily
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I mean you said the same thing in my post, without reading it I assume lol. Frame perfect everytime, not even baiting it and just holding w for 10 seconds while not looking behind themselves. Not using it vs a blight who hasn't been baiting it out, who is gliding past your hitbox and can instantly hit you and has done so twice before going for a hit. You can never know 100% but it's pretty easy to tell, especially with blight.
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Blight and Nurse are the easiest killers to use new dead hard against though, unless you're just m1ing.
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I mean, there's many things that lead to a locker search, blood, scratch marks, moaning, the gen that's close to the locker that's almost done ect
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If you suspect someone has auto DH, try swinging when they are at the other side of a pallet. They always do it.
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can you post the video of these two?
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Without any of those things.
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Then... the killer won't search a locker...
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Or he'll guess. You're arguing with a guy who is conflating our ability to determine someone is using a script with a guess.
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True
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Anytime I suspect an auto Dead Hard I'll try to get them to stun me with a pallet. Because most of them teabag behind it they are still in lunging range so all I have to do is hit the pallet. That moment when they automatically DH into the pallet and immediately know they're busted is just too funny.
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Part of the issue is because of the scripts you end up wondering sometimes if a survivor just has awesome timing or if they actually are cheating. I’m not sure the devs can do much about it since it’s probably hard to detect and has been around a long time but if they ever figure out a way to mitigate this hack that would be great.
There are times you can tell, though. Like if someone is across a dropped pallet from you, and you swing at them, and they Dead Hard, that’s almost certainly the cheat since nobody would manually Dead Hard in that situation.
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You are right that it's no proof, but it is extremely likely that they are cheating. There is no possible reaction to a perfectly timed Dead Hard, so that happening 3 times in a match is insanely unlikely.
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normally i wouldn't accuse people of cheating with something like this but i guess me saying 3 people did it in front of at the exact same time in perfect sync to a quick attack i intentionally missed while trying to body block while injured wasn't good enough
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I sometimes dh out of panic, even if people bodyblock for me because i didn't look behind me.
That means im scripting too? Mind you, I am a console player lol.
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I'm a bit confused about the amount of people who think this situation (if it is how OP described it) is ambiguous. Survivors may do pretty weird things but what survivor will not use DH if they have it with the killer trailing directly behind them for 10 seconds? And then use dead hard once at a place of complete safety the instant the killer swings? There's no rational, innocent explanation for such behaviour.
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You can also trigger this at pallets; if a surv with auto-DH is on the opposite side of a pallet and you swing, it'll still trigger. It's a total gotcha moment.
But really, it's something you often see with players who are otherwise not good. If someone can't loop, can't path, displays little game sense, seems generally less skilled, and somehow perfectly nails multiple DHs even when you wait/bait them out...yeah. Not much of a limb to go out on.
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I'm a bit confused about the amount of people who think this situation (if it is how OP described it) is ambiguous. Survivors may do pretty weird things but what survivor will not use DH if they have it with the killer trailing directly behind them for 10 seconds? And then use dead hard once at a place of complete safety the instant the killer swings? There's no rational, innocent explanation for such behaviour.
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I never knew this was a thing. I'll be completely honest, I've never been able to successfully DH to protect myself once after years of playing this game and honestly, I've kind of stopped trying. I'm not ever good with timing things which is why I still suck at hitting great skill checks. So the thought of people being able to program auto DH to avoid killer hits perfectly and get away with it is super annoying to me 😵
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No it's like you are ignoring what I am saying in my posts.
Blight is and has always been the best killer to bait dh with if there is something nearby.
Lets say the first time I take the dh hit because I don't bait them out until I know they have it now. Next time instead of hitting you first time, I will glide my hitbox past yours which at any point I can shoulder flick which is instantaneous. But instead I just go past you, I can repeat that 2 more times if I need to. None of those time's would you know when I am going to hit or have time to react to a hit, nor would you know I would be baiting like that if I just hit you the first chase. I said this in my post a few days back as well so I don't know how you missed.
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Just play Bubba, then the survivor only has one hook state :)
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Is no one gonna point out the fact that this is not a sure way of figuring out if someone has auto dead hard? I've had multiple times where the killer isn't within hitting distance, and I still instinctively press E. No offense to otz for coming up with this thing, but this doesn't make sure of anything.
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That's on you but the other times are frame perfect in areas that there is no need to DH....besides if your not in hitting distance the Killer won't try to swing at you and get slowed down.
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no I mean that they do end up swinging but miss entirely, and I still press E.
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