If you DC against Nurse, YOU are the problem

I agree, the other day I faced and I am not lying 4 nurses in a row, 3 were 4ks and the 4th one was actually 4e on Graden of Joy which surely helped.

The thing is the 3 matches we lost were actually super fast so it's like, just try to do something if you fail you fail and the Nurse is better than your team the match will be over pretty quick anyway, better that than waiting for the 4 minute penalty

Hey guys, I've got a question. If I say I never have any problems with Nurse because of my skill, does that make me one of the cool kids?

Someone who says that the nurse has no counterplay is either someone who has just started the game, or someone who is a hypocrite.

It's up to you...

I don't mind you playing the nurse, but I do mind you showing us how you play against her.

Or learn to become better when you play against it...

Finally ... for those who do ...

Am I wrong?

I'm still waiting for your videos where we see you playing against the nurse.

You are a liar.

Have you not heard what "those who know" have said?

The nurse is an abomination, she is too strong, there is nothing you can do against her, she is a living God, she rules the game like no other, no one has ever been able to escape her, she knows everything, she sees everything.

Nobody is going to give you videos of them losing, stop with that crap too. Just because nobody gives you videos doesn't mean s*** either.

Counterplay to Nurse: make lucky guesses the whole match

Okay? It's still a guess as opposed to ACTUAL counterplay. The way Nurse works, you basically guess rather than mind game since she defies all the physical limitations all the other killers deal with.

I honestly liked playing against Nurse before the big patch. It was a fun challenge, and I didn't even need Dead Hard to outplay her (which I think is a huge reason others are having so much trouble with her now). But to adjust so many things favorably for the Killer in general and not adjust the strongest killer in the game? She just feels gross to play against now, especially with exposed perks.

Basically this. The first two times I run away from the nurse, then double back in her direction, 100% losing her every time. The third time I don't try any tricks and just hold W and in 75% of the cases the Nurse will fly too short.

After this I become erratic and don't know myself what I'll be doing next. This essentially turns every blink into a mind mindgame; a game that I will inevitably lose, but I'll try to waste as much time as possible. Juking can also help with making her miss, even though she guessed your reaction right.

Countering Nurse involves some luck, but even more experience just not respecting her fearsome reputation. And if you just went down in 15s? Well, just reflect and enjoy your probably 15s queue time and be off in the nest trial before the hook you died on had any chance to dry.

Someone has to inform the people reading your posts how innacurate and biased the posts are.

Literally everything you post about nurse. So..just click your post history. I only ever see you post about nurse, so it should be really easy to find.

Just in this thread alone, though: you providing 'counterplay' tips for nurse, knowing full well, and being told countless times in other threads that the people making these threads already do all that in their games against nurse. Do you happen to forget every time you are told?

Best chase in the game. Best mobility in the game. Best overall killer in the game. Consensus best killer for years. Acknowledged to be OP by everyone who plays the game at a high level except a few forum posters here, and unsurprisingly their profile picture is almost always the nurse.

I did. I like playing against Nurse and I like solo queue. Partially it was because certain posters accused me of lying so I recorded 75 consecutive games and posted them online and gave the link.

I had a 45.3% escape rate overall so I lost just short of 55% of the games. I think in 20% of the games we got stomped. However, none of the losses and stomping were from a Nurse. In fact, it was a 4E during the trials we faced a Nurse.

The fact that you can't effectively play against Nurse and don't like playing against Nurse doesn't mean everyone has that problem. Play Nurse for a few weeks and you'll have a much better idea of her limitations.

The link to the videos, by the way, is in my profile discussions in case you want proof I recorded both wins and losses.

And yet the Nurses in the top 5% of MMR don't have a kill rate that would support your statement. If you don't want to learn the counterplay that's on you and a you problem.

At 5% MMR you're facing other people within 350 points maximum of your MMR. That is a huge skill range but a 1850 MMR versus a 2200 MMR doesn't mean the 1850 is bad. The 1850 is a great player. A 2200 MMR Killer could also face a 2550 MMR survivor and get stomped.

Nurse is not even close to the issue you think it is. I do face mid level Nurses because I'm a mid level survivor. If the Nurse player is better and has better RNG, the Nurse wins. If we're better we win.

People throw out this straw man argument of a 'God Nurse' that's maybe, what, less than 1% of the players? Henz and his SWF death squad aren't what BHVR should balance around and neither should balancing be done around Otzdarva. Everyone I listed is just that much better of a player than everyone else so they have a very high win rate.

Perhaps the Nurse players you lose to are just better Killers than you are at Survivor? If you want to improve your gameplay that's probably a good assumption to start with.

"Nurse is not even close to the issue you think it is," says the person not experiencing the issue to the person experiencing the issue.

SWF is a balance issue. Nurse is a bigger one.

In my thousands of hours in the game I have gone up against a full tourney death-squad only a handfull of times in public matches. They are not common. They are hard to set up. They don’t happen a lot. Does that mean they aren't imbalanced? No, but that issue pales in comparison to the nurse issue.

Nurse has an extreme advantage over equally skilled survivors all the way up until those death squads I mentioned, where they are about equal.

"if the Nurse player is better and has better rng, the nurse wins. If we're better, we win."

It just isn't true...nurse's mechanics allow her to perform higher than the player using her's skill level. That's what OP means. That's what nurse is. I'm baffled you think survivors are on equal footing with nurse. They aren't, apart from the situation listed above.

Like, sorry, but you're just wrong.

Just like playing SWF allows you to beat a killer higher than your skill level, Nurse allows you to do the same. It's just fact.

1) I did. Read again.

2) This guy doesn't think nurse is the best killer/best in those aspects of the game. That's all anyone needs to know about his credibility on the subject of Nurse and balance..

The only issue you're experiencing is one you created for yourself. Nurse does not create a situation where they have an extreme advantage; it's just their counterplay isn't greatly enhanced by maps where there are virtually infinite pallets and semi infinite loops. The issue is more likely your skill versus Nurse and that you're not dealing with the counterplay.

I'm not in the top 5% of MMR for survivor and I really doubt you are because it's a statistical improbability. In any event, the stats for the top 5% of MMR do not indicate an issue and only attempts to invalidate the stats based on your personal feelings have been made.

If there is an issue where's the proof it exists outside of a group of people who are largely the exact same people making multiple anti-Nurse threads? Nurse isn't unbeatable by the highest level survivors and gets bodied quite regularly at the mid and lower levels. The top 5% MMR doesn't have an issue with Nurse so where is the problem? The top 1%? The top 0.01? No game that depends on participation should balance solely on those levels.

So, once again, other than your personal opinion, where is your proof that Nurse is a wide spread issue? Disliking a Killer simply because you don't know or don't want to learn the counterplay or the top 1% or less of players are really good with her but no other level has an issue is not a reason to nerf anything.

I'm not interested in whether they lost or not.

If they didn't lose to the nurse, they wouldn't come crying about how she's too strong.

What I am interested in is how the game went, and how skilled (or not) they are against the nurse.

Because if their team manages to fix 3 generators, and the nurse makes 3 kills, and they come to complain just because they are dead... no, sorry, but 3 generators fixed and 3 kills, I don't call that a killer OP or "too strong".

It's easy to say "the nurse is too strong, help".

But all those survivors crying ... what about their level, as a survivor?

If they want us to take them seriously, let them show us how they play against the nurse.

Or maybe they don't want to show it, because we would see that they play like potatoes and die in 2 seconds...

The same stats that say Dredge and Plague are massively overperforming? Lol. Come on, you don't actually believe what you said, do you? I thought you had more sense than the nurse mains in this thread.

You're really good at just deflecting, and never actually responding to holes in what you say. If you can't even speak on the subject, just don’t respond.

What would be funny is if a "guess who" win system was implemented; the player who is going to start a game as a survivor would have to choose a killer; if the killer he faces afterwards is the one he chose, the amount of BP won by this survivor is doubled 😋

This could be both a small bonus that would not unbalance the game in any way, and could make the games against the nurse more friendly, or even unconsciously allow those players to learn to play against her, as they are in a more positive mindset 🤗

Awesome, if that's accurate then you're complaining about the top 1% or less of Nurses. Once again, BHVR should not balance a game that is based on participation solely on such a small subset of players. If this were a competitive sport like major league football that depends on spectators, sure. As it is, no. Video games need to balance on participation unless they're in the very few,which DbD isn't, that ended up being able to go completely competitive.

You still have not given any evidence there is anything wrong with Nurse. The stats don't show it. All you point to is cherry picked streamers while ignoring the Nurses that get beaten by Henz and other such SWFs. All you bring up for evidence is people complain on forums. People complain on forums all the time about everything.

If you want Nurse nerfed because you have a personal issue with Nurse feel free to express that. It's a feeling; this is a forum to express yourself. However, you don't have one shred of evidence to back up your statement while there are pieces of evidence that discredit your statements. If you don't find Nurse fun that's a reason to complain but also please keep in mind there are other people that enjoy Nurse, both versus and as, and their fun needs to be considered as well.