Your thoughts on the new Otz's changes for each Killer video?

Definitely both agree and disagree with a lot of his points, but mostly because of his own admissions that center around a disproportionate impact from factors like maps, items, and strategies. It sounds weird to hear that Wraith is in a good spot, until you realize that most of his problems are problem with the game he is in more than his kit itself. Very interesting perspective in a lot of regards, but I definitely feel more nuance is needed for a lot of his anti-camping stances: They're absolutely correct in regards to how bad they can be exploited, but equal consideration is needed on how survivors could exploit disabling powers in ways he presented. I understand that those types of ideas were more darts on a dartboard in nature though, and that his concern is more with the sanity checks involved than anything. Good insight for a lot of killers like usual.

Most suggestions aren't bad in my oppinion. However he forgot to account for something on Hillbilly. All his cooldowns are the same. So reducing the bumping cooldown, while not a bad idea in general, would mean players would be encouraged to bump.

Massive vindication when his Nurse suggestions were almost verbatim the same as mine, haha.

Otherwise, I think most of his suggestions are good. There are some I think might be a little questionable, and I'd handle certain killers differently, but overall he's got a pretty decent perspective on how to change each killer. Most of the stuff I disagree with is when he suggests simply disabling powers near hook, I don't think that's the right call to tackle camping- though certain others like Trickster's knife damage not interrupting unhooks would be a good change, that I agree with.

Yellow bottles are unintuitive which is why he suggested changes to them since he is correct in that no one really uses them.

not true. the cooldown for bumping is different compare to the cooldown for missing. An old billy add-on distinguished between both cooldowns. bumping cooldown add-on encourage bad billy play where you can bump into objects on purpose to follow up m1 on survivors.

It's true. I confirmed it here: https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Max_Thompson_Jr.#Power_Trivia

The initial cooldown for the chainsaw is always the same (except with addons). Bumping addons are the same in that regard. But the difference is you still use an addon so it should do something. Looking through the addons you have availabe on Billy, the bumping addons aren't even too bad compared to what else you could bring. Also I never understood why Billy needs to have a second cooldown after failing his chainsaw. You can move normally but anything else is not working for a short time.

I'm gonna be honest, I tuned out after I heard him say Wraith is fine. Just off of hearing that, I know his changes wouldn't be enough to make killers viable. We're still doing this as a community, operating on an outdated sense of balance. People think that killers are fine now, and so any killer buffs automatically will make the killers OP. In reality, our proposed buffs are something that should have happened years ago, and since they haven't, people have become accustomed to how weak killer is and they're afraid of that changing. It's why any recent killer buff is this huge radical thing. We're pushing for killers to become viable, while also pushing them to be at least playable, but most want to settle for them just being playable even though in their minds, that's viable.

Let's look at some examples, just so my word salad isn't so confusing. Most people agreed before Trapper got his buffs, he wasn't fine. Same with Clown. But now that they are where they are, people don't want to buff them anymore. They say, "They're fine" knowing full well, I hope, that those killers aren't even a sliver viable, seeing as how nobody plays them in tourney. "Most people don't play at tourney level." Maybe not, but I still think it's relevant that there's such a disparity between the power level of Trapper/Clown and Nurse/Blight that killer players don't even attempt to use them in tourney, because they know there's nowhere near enough potential to win with them.

Let's look at more, at perks specifically. Original Pop was fine by me. Those claims that you could go on a whole other chase and get down, and then still be able to kick a gen with it 100% of the time, were pure bogus. With 60-second Pop we struggled to kick gens before they were finished or to get there in time off of doing a 20-second chase. Now it's 45 seconds and does sub-20% to a gen. Not good at all, and neither is Corrupt. You get 1 down, you lose your early game slowdown. "But you still get insane value." Clearly we have different definitions of insane. Ruin/Undying wasn't that strong, and it definitely wouldn't have been with Counterforce and boons being introduced, but that got taken away as well.

The nerfs to killers specifically are the most unforgivable part. Spirit forces the survivors to mindgame and improvise, instead of the other way around? Nerf it! Freddy has 1 good slowdown add-on and a bit of anti-loop? Nerf it! Wraith has almost anti-loop as an M1? Nerf. Deathslinger has good aim? Nerf. Pinhead can actually interrupt getting his power taken away for 60 seconds? Nerf. Pig has 1 niche strat that can get kills? Nerf for like the third time. Hillbilly gets overheat for using his power. Twins has cooldowns and animations on everything. Nemesis takes so many hits with his power to get out of tier 1. It's crazy all the killer nerfs that have happened in just the past 2 years. I can't be the only one who notices it.

Killers need to be able to something to survivors at loops. If they can just drop the pallet early and not be mindgamed, we need to fix that. Gen speeds being quick as they are, we either need chases to end quicker or gen regression to be significant, but we have neither right now. We need perks and strategies that reward multiple chases and hooks to be incentivized, not punished or taken away. We can't take away things like Bloodlust or god forbid Entity Blocker without overhauling loops and whole maps in a significant way. We need survivors to be downable within reason, not being able to 1v1 any killer for 3+ gens. We need killers to be able to hook survivors. Unless Otz's killer changes addressed all this stuff, I literally don't want to hear it anymore.

I can back up all of this, also. Can't simply turn most of it into a numbers crunch, but I can tell you how I believe the game is from personal experience and watching others. Name any killer nerf, any survivor buff, any new map, any new perks, and I'll give my thoughts on it. Just don't be surprised when I'm pessimistic about any of it, as I'm someone who's played killer and played it well.

Ahh, yeah. I see how you came to that conclusion. Bad choice of words on my side. I will still hold out hope for some QoL changes for Billy.

I watched only Myers as he is my main and the one I play the most. Hard pass on everything except the long distance stalking at least in EW1 and addon tweaking, Tombstone addons should go and the "do this during EW1" addons should get changed into something a bit more useful.

Also I dont know what he said about Twins but I disagree, the only change they need is being deleted entirely from the game and whoever utters their name after get hardware banned and/or sent to prison.

I agree on wraith but myers just needs few buffs and he will be fine. He should be able to tombstone you from locker and should never run out of stalk. He could be 120% in tier 3 too.

...What? He uses that angle to specifically stay in the lane of making changes to killers, he says that Wraith's changes would be very small because what he needs aren't changes to the killer.

Regarding viability, I'm not sure why it would be weird to talk about them as completely separate, since they are completely separate competitive environments. Tournaments are not the average game of DBD, and what's viable in one isn't necessarily viable in the other. This isn't unique to DBD, pick any game with a tournament/E-sport scene and it'll be a very different beast to most people's matches.

People are absolutely asking for killer buffs, I commented on a few posts talking about killers being weak just yesterday. I think you might have some selection bias happening over there, friend.

The perks were changed to shake up the stale meta, and it happened on both sides. It's not to "appease baby survivors", come on now.

Finally, where did I say Pig was fine? I didn't say that at all, I said she was buffed. You said she was nerfed, and that is objectively wrong, she was buffed. Is she fine? Eh, not really, she's still on the weaker side and I'd still like to see her get a few buffs, but that's irrelevant because neither I nor you were talking about that- we were talking about whether her most recent change was a nerf, which it wasn't.

I can only speak for hag and the only things I agree on is removing the flashlight's ability to destroy her traps, increased movement speed and rework of some add-ons mostly because a lot of them are bugged

Increasing her terror radius is just unnecessary, increasing the distance between traps is also unnecessary, and adding another way, a base kit way to destroy her trap is counterproductive. I would rather flash removing traps stay than putting another base kit way of destroying her trap. That's just a straight up nerf to her and she is in need of a buff not a nerf

Crouching for 1 second over a trap to destroy it would be more powerful than a flashlight destroying her trap. Big no from me.

Even as a solo player right now without a flashlight, you can ruin a hag's web by simply stepping on her traps while she is carrying a survivor to a hook or mid-chase with another survivor. It's about timing and using your brain.

Overall his suggestions where fine but some of the buffs where over the top. Most times however he labeled them as such and their were a separate section to the other changes.

The trapper changes where quit good (more grass please!), the nerfs to Spirits add-ons or Nurse are also fine and especialy the Blight add-on changes would be very much good.

The suggestion for add-on changes were pretty sensible as there are problems with add-ons on certain Killers in one way or the other (Tombstone Piece vs Pyramide Heads whole range) with a very glaring issue when add-ons just do nothing because they are bugged.

I disliked some of his buff suggestions thou as they were a bit too much. However I agree with the statement that Oni, Plague, Wraith and Legion are fine Killers right now and that BHVR is doing a far better job on Killer balance than they did in the past.

Otz should however make a video about the problem with maps. He refers to this a lot and thus he should make the point and tell us what he means by "bad map design". Not that it does not exists, but the sentence is so vague that everybody has a different opinion on that matter and can mean different things. Many of his takes depend on what fixes to maps he would like to see.

Only watched for Hag, Legion and Ghostface as the killers I play most, and I don't remember everything since I watched it a couple of days ago.

I remember feeling like Hag deserves a little more love than what he thought for her.

I didn't like his idea for survivors to all be able to destroy traps. They already have pretty good counterplays (crouching, setting them off when she's far or carrying a survivor, flashlights, following her around to set them off as she's putting them down) and playing against a coordinated team pretty much already reduces her to "3gen or nothing".

Love his Pyramid Head and Wesker changes.

His Deathslinger changes don't seem like enough and I don't think he belongs in the "mostly fine" category because he is NOT but I agree with the 28 m TR. Auto reload on hook doesn't seem helpful enough to be an add-on and also isn't a big enough problem in the first place to be basekit either. Reloading before pick up or just after hook isn't the end of the world. What I'd do instead is make his movement speed while reloading slightly faster.

It's proven to be working counter. Myers take lot of time to get to tier 3 with his iri add ons so if your team just minimaze his stalking chanses while looping him all gens should be done easily.