I hate this aspect to the game but I guess killers need more than offerings and perks in their bloodwebs. I'd love to have a build and not have to worry about running out of add ons, I Just wish they added more rare add ons to killers bloodwebs when they gave survivors higher rarity items in chests.

SpongeBob420Pants said:

@Bravo0413 said:
The_Crusader said:

The thing is though...if they made killers abilities "good" at base, then add ons would make it OP. So you need a weakish power at base and then scale it with add ons.

It is a strange design choice but I can kinda see what they're doing.

I think more so what hes referring to is that addons that effect charge times and such should be more common or uncommon status and then most addons should be like the muffler addon for Billy's chainsaw, or the prayer beeds, or the addon that takes away the heartbeat when wraith comes uncloaked... addons should more so change more then just charge times and cooldowns and killers shouldnt be as addon dependent..

so first of all prayer beads are completely broken lol, secondly I'm saying add-ons should change playstyle rather than "fix" a weak power or obvious weakness in a power.

No prayer beeds are not broken... survivors have multiple counters to the addon... simple perks that benefit the survivor throughout the match/any match, against any killer counter the addons....

Ya have OoO which hardcounters spirit.... period!
Ya have premonition and spine chill which again counter spirit (the only reason these perks are not used often is because survivors find them boring or SWF which gives survivors no reason to run them) 
Those 3 perks alone counter her and can be run every game and give benefit to the survivor 
Then you have IW for when being chased by her

Just remember when you get gen grabbed by her you were grabbed by a killer that cant see you while using her power..... maybe thatll make ya feel better... 

Also in my comment I stated that you want exactly that... less buffing the power more changing the power and listed examples...

I think the ideal scenario for Killers should be that Killers should be disadvantaged if they go in with no add-ons, but they shouldn't be forced to pick specific add-ons in order to not feel disadvantaged (such as Trapper and the Sack add-ons or Doctor and the Electrode add-ons).

Bravo0413 said:

SpongeBob420Pants said:

@Bravo0413 said:
The_Crusader said:

The thing is though...if they made killers abilities "good" at base, then add ons would make it OP. So you need a weakish power at base and then scale it with add ons.

It is a strange design choice but I can kinda see what they're doing.

I think more so what hes referring to is that addons that effect charge times and such should be more common or uncommon status and then most addons should be like the muffler addon for Billy's chainsaw, or the prayer beeds, or the addon that takes away the heartbeat when wraith comes uncloaked... addons should more so change more then just charge times and cooldowns and killers shouldnt be as addon dependent..

so first of all prayer beads are completely broken lol, secondly I'm saying add-ons should change playstyle rather than "fix" a weak power or obvious weakness in a power.

No prayer beeds are not broken... survivors have multiple counters to the addon... simple perks that benefit the survivor throughout the match/any match, against any killer counter the addons....

Ya have OoO which hardcounters spirit.... period!
Ya have premonition and spine chill which again counter spirit (the only reason these perks are not used often is because survivors find them boring or SWF which gives survivors no reason to run them) 
Those 3 perks alone counter her and can be run every game and give benefit to the survivor 
Then you have IW for when being chased by her

Just remember when you get gen grabbed by her you were grabbed by a killer that cant see you while using her power..... maybe thatll make ya feel better... 

Also in my comment I stated that you want exactly that... less buffing the power more changing the power and listed examples...

OoO is terrible against Spirit. You can only see what you are able to see with your eyes. That is—her husk. Additionally, the passive phasing is super trippy to watch AND in those small instances, she can see you when you can’t see her, similar to Michael or Freddy. 
Spine Chill I believe only works on the husk and the same goes for Premonition. 

Here is an idea why do you survivor mains rely on toolboxes, flashlights, medikits and perks such as stake out, adrenaline, decisive strike, sprint burst to win.

artist said:

Bravo0413 said:

SpongeBob420Pants said:

@Bravo0413 said:
The_Crusader said:

The thing is though...if they made killers abilities "good" at base, then add ons would make it OP. So you need a weakish power at base and then scale it with add ons.

It is a strange design choice but I can kinda see what they're doing.

I think more so what hes referring to is that addons that effect charge times and such should be more common or uncommon status and then most addons should be like the muffler addon for Billy's chainsaw, or the prayer beeds, or the addon that takes away the heartbeat when wraith comes uncloaked... addons should more so change more then just charge times and cooldowns and killers shouldnt be as addon dependent..

so first of all prayer beads are completely broken lol, secondly I'm saying add-ons should change playstyle rather than "fix" a weak power or obvious weakness in a power.

No prayer beeds are not broken... survivors have multiple counters to the addon... simple perks that benefit the survivor throughout the match/any match, against any killer counter the addons....

Ya have OoO which hardcounters spirit.... period!
Ya have premonition and spine chill which again counter spirit (the only reason these perks are not used often is because survivors find them boring or SWF which gives survivors no reason to run them) 
Those 3 perks alone counter her and can be run every game and give benefit to the survivor 
Then you have IW for when being chased by her

Just remember when you get gen grabbed by her you were grabbed by a killer that cant see you while using her power..... maybe thatll make ya feel better... 

Also in my comment I stated that you want exactly that... less buffing the power more changing the power and listed examples...

anyone decent with spirit uses their ears and scratch marks to track and locate. prayer beads is completely busted lol. no counterplay especially mid chase when you run out of their terror radius and can't tell if they're following or going to a different survivor. and I wish people would stop telling me bring a perk to counter something like I have 20 perk slots lmfao

Lol.... again Iron Will.... like iron will is way underrated imo... it's not something that you wouldn't just use to counter spirit it's a bad ass perk that can cause you to win a chase against any killer as long as you're decent......

Also if ya get beat by the spirit you just got beat by a killer that's blind to you while using their power....  shoot I was in thread earlier where people were saying it's a coin toss while playing spirit and they didn't like that feeling when playing.... 

the bigger maps such as backwater swamps they are too big to spend an age to try and find a trap and its worse when you hook a survivor and want to place a trap near them but you have ran out.

@Kind_Lemon said:

Spine Chill I believe only works on the husk and the same goes for Premonition. 

Premonition works on her at all times.

@artist said:

cuz I can actually see the killer move? horrible comparison 

My comment above shows you the way and when she's not phasing you can see her by watching grass, crows etc. You can also keep on doing what you've been doing and getting grabbed while those of us that have learned to adapt don't get grabbed.

@artist said:
powerbats said:

@Kind_Lemon said:

Spine Chill I believe only works on the husk and the same goes for Premonition. 

Premonition works on her at all times.

@artist said:

cuz I can actually see the killer move? horrible comparison 

My comment above shows you the way and when she's not phasing you can see her by watching grass, crows etc. You can also keep on doing what you've been doing and getting grabbed while those of us that have learned to adapt don't get grabbed.

u fail to understand its not just about getting grabbed, but i don't think you'll get that, so theres no point in continuing this

I understand completely, but how is it any different as i asked earlier if it's a Mirror Myers on Lery's or an Iri King Doctor on Gideon's or an M&A killer?

You refuse to adapt and instead want something nerfed because you refuse to adapt, that's not how game balance works. If we did it your way DS would simply be removed from the game because it's annoying to deal with but has things that can mitigate it.

Add-ons should benefit an already strong killer. I agree they should tweak or give a lead to killers who use them, rather than killers being required to use them to get anywhere. I think they should work like items do for survivors, which either changes their play style or give them a bonus.

rexydon said:

SpongeBob420Pants said:

*As a side note, having to go through a blood-web after every game/other game just to get certain add-ons makes killers even more grind dependent than it is for perks and hurts killer variety.

Olay, really? As is a killer always has a power. And every add on they get worked for that power. Survivors not only have to grind to find items able to use but also the addons for those specific items. Which make it a lot more of a grind. 

And yet survivor can loot additional items AND addons and honestly dont even need those to stomp killers.

It is true that some powers are powerful enough and with addons, they might potentially become OP.

To solve this problem, powers should be buffed and addons should be nerfed.

It is like exactly what happened to Pig and her combat straps addon. Her base power got buffed and the addon got nerfed. In the end, her addon does the same thing but her base power is more reliable without using the addon.

Leatherface's chainsaw charge should be buffed, his movement speed when he is charging the chainsaw should be buffed and the addons that affect these 2 features must be nerfed. In this way, leatherface will be playable without addons but if you use addons, they will help you, not make you OP.

I think this is the best way to look at the situation.

@Edys said:

Prayer Beads on Spirit are under the same principle:
Prayer Beads + whatever addon + Discordance + Surveillance + M&A + BBQ is gg, survivors can't win. Ever.
You can even try other perks, like an all out totem and Thrill of the Hunt, and it would be a very easy game as well (unless you are very very unlucky and the first totem to go is Thrill).

Again, it's fine and fun if it happens once in a while, the problem arises when someone plays constantly using those perks / add-ons - it's exactly like playing always a swf game with ds, borrowed time, adrenaline, instaheals + a key. But let's be clear, it is not a problem for me, I won't play against you every time (in fact, I enjoy those once in a while impossible games), it is for you, that will never learn how to play under difficult conditions.

(and no, I'm not a survivor main)

Again i've never ever been gen grabbed by a Spirit runnin Prayer Beads unless I've been trying to finish that last few % on a gen.

I've been in matches with other survivors against a Prayer Bead using spirit and we've all made it out because we paid attention to our surroundings. WE paid attention to if we knew she wasn't in a chase and we always positioned ourselves to where a gen grab was harder.

If in a chase we'd simply run and double back and move slowly around blind corners and move in different ways and never be consistent. Sometimes it works and sometimes the Spirit player knows what they're doing and you still get hit or downed.

The only ones that can't play against her with those builds are the ones that don't deserve to live against her because they're just not good enough.

Also saying Mirror Myers and Iri King require ultra and very rare addons and their expensive then ignoring the fact on spirit is disingenuous.

If you really want to be honest here it's actually not that hard for a person only playing that killer to simply farm on other survivors or killers for bp. They then can just simply dump that bp into their favored killer and voila tons of very and ultra rare addons.

To show how asinine this whole argument is I never prestiged my Spirit and kept rolling over her bloodweb trying to get Rancor III and BBQ III. It took me almost 100 rollovers of her level 50 bloodweb just to get the tier III of both perks.

I've since done another 50-70 on her and before I started using them up to get ready to prestige her I had almost 50 each of her ultra rare addons, over 50 each of her very rare addons and 30 Black Wards.

For Myers even though I don't really play him often I had lots of Scratched Mirrors and Ebony Mori's along with lots of Tufts of Hair and Tombstones.

For Doctor I never play him anymore and i've still got lots of Iridescent Kings and lot of his other op addons because I've not prestiged him and rolled his over for perks as well.

The simple fact is that anyone with every character P3'd or those that just play a few will have a ton of ultra very rare and very rare addons stockpiled.

They'll never ever run out since they can easily farm on those well stocked characters and us lesser characters as bp farmers.

Throw in bonus bp events and it's like a kid in a candy store how easy it is to get them and if you're dying to a Prayer Beads Spirit then you need to get better.

@Edys said:
you're not understanding:
prayer beads + surveillance is game over, you don't even have to add all the other perks I've mentioned. It doesn't matter if "you were never grabbed on a gen", you just are facing a very, very unfair game. Maybe you can escape through the hatch, but if the killer is a little competent there's no way more than one escapes.
You're free to believe otherwise, you would just fool yourself.

Also, you can play however you want, I like challenges and because of that I never use ultra-rare add-ons, but some people want easy games, so that's only fair you are able to ask for a little (actually, huge) help once in a while (or even "always", if you want to be the farming kid of your example)

The only one not understanding here is you, the fact that you refuse to admit that the problem lies with you and not the killer says it all. If the players know what they're doing more than 1 will usually get out, if they're a bunch of potatoes or get outplayed then they get wiped out.

So take your own advice and stop fooling yourself into believing there's no counterplay against her or those addons. Because if there was no counterplay like you say her win rate and playrate would be 100% and all the pro's would play her exclusively.

If someone has the Doctor meme it's highly appropriate right now.

@CronaWins said:

All these killers are effective without these addons.

If your relying on any addons, you're doing it wrong.

I've actually been trying to goad myself into going 1 less perk on both sides down to no perks except may'be the BP ones. Since I'd probably be a much better player in return considering I don't run DS/AD/SB/DH and haven't run some perks in forever.

@Delfador said:

You are talking to a wall at this point.

Very good DbD players showed their dislike towards this addon and addons like this one.

I am not somebody who runs after streamers etc. but I know that these people are really good players and if they think that something is wrong, it probably is tbh. These kind of good players are the first people who will adapt and change their gameplay in the first place.

I am not extremely skilled or anything, and if there is a way, I can accept it and blame myself but if the best players side with my opinion, I am going to take them more seriously than bunch of people who 4k everygame with Freddy or 100% escape rates against 5 blink nurses. This is a forum after all.

I have to laugh since someone on here will say who cares what a streamer says when it doesn't agree with them but will say x streamer(s) opinions matter because they say it's broken.

Most of the Spirit players on here will tell you it's not that hard to counter and against a sef group it's easily countered. Against competent solo players it's a 50/50 crapshoot and only really works well against potatoes.

Since if you know it's a spirit you don't keep in one spot you move around, you change things up and you mind game the crap out of her since if she's phasing she can't see you.

If she uses up all her power flying across the map and swings and missed well she's screwed because now she has to wait 15 seconds to use it again.

For all of you that think it's so op take it to rank 1 and 4k every match with it and do it against good players not the boosted ones.

Edit: Forgot to add Delfador I'm not bashing you personally.