Eruption is overtuned

Whataboutism

My thought was a buffer between down and explosion that might allow an alert solo queue to get off in time. Something equivalent to the span of time you see a Survivor's aura as the killer hooks them.

1. Hook progression: Already exists Reassurance/Kinship.

2. Blocking hooks: Already exists Saboteur/Breakdown/Toolbox

Not really sure what your arguement is here

Eruption has been a stupid perk since it's inception because prior to 6.1.0 the values were so low it was literally not worth running compared to other perks. On top of that SWF completely neuters it. It was almost never run and considered pretty trash tier as a result. With 6.1.0 putting an obnoxious 25 second action prevention on it, it is now good but the core of the perk is still the same. It's hard countered by swf and now has the unfortunate side effect of really being brutal vs solo queue.

There have been several good ideas floated in here but realistically the incapacitate effect should be halved/swapped for something else and the swf counter should also go away. It's just a dumb perk and slapping an overpowered effect onto it makes it good sure but it's still a dumb perk at it's core.

I would disagree the point of the perk is to slowdown the game and regress generators. Would it be that much weaker, if it just blocked those gens for 20/30/40 seconds

Some would argue the biggest advantage it has is, while the survivor is Incapacitated they cant tap the gen and it regresses which wouldnt happen if the gen was blocked.

The best example of this effect would be tier 3 madness of the doctor which requires 12 seconds of survivor action to remove.

Now while I think blocking the gens would be plenty powerful since it can appply to multiple gens some will disagree. There are a couple other ways to go that would be more interactive to survivors which is the biggest issue with it not that its too strong.

You could make it just like tier 3 madness that requires maybe 16 seconds of uninterrupted player input to get rid of it. While adding 2% regression to the base effect to compensate for the reduced time of the status effect, which can actually be longer if you chase the survivor.

Or have it be a unique effect called Broken Fingers that only prevents working on gens and using items for that time but also causes survivors to reveal their location if they complete an action like a heal/totem or if no action is completed the next time they touch a gen they scream giving it extra tracking utility and letting you know exactly where you can reapply the effect.

The point is there are ways to go other than completely disengaging the player to the point that the only action they can do is basically hide in a locker, and the incapacitated effect is not too strong, but just plain boring.

I think that this would be a very reasonable nerf. Its this "being removed from the game entirely for 25s" that feels somewhat out of place. When I run eruption I always feel elated when it goes off, because quite a few times you either take too long to down someone and a previously kicked gen gets finished or no one is at the gen when you kick it. A successful Eruption gives you some breathing room and allows you to ignore that gen for a short while, but honestsly if that survivors healed up in the mean time or booned something I wouldn't mind. To me the 25s safety net for the gen feels more important and I would appreciate a gen-only incapacitate like effect instead of just lowering it so something like 15s.

Indeed. In general a killer perk should trump an equivalent surivor perk, because of the 4v1 nature, but besides that its not an exact science. I bet that most killer perks would be grossly "underpowered" if you applied this metric, so this shows that its bogus.

It has counter-play. its called finishing generator and being successful at the chase. The perk requires the killer to kick a generator and it awards 10% regression and refunds their time spent walking+kicking a generator. Its like survivor want to go down in 30 seconds chases and still escape every trial.

your suggestion is similar to what i suggested on the perk which is AoE incapacitation so swf cannot rob the killer off their perk value. your not suppose to be able to avoid the incapacitation.

Let me guess, you never against a killer with eruption.

Now jokes aside, the effects of a killer perks have to, really needs to be balanced around their consistency and the time/effort you need to activate it.

As you say, Hex Devour hope gives you a massive advantage and is balanced around the fact than its consistency relies on people cleansing the totem.

If they find it quickly, you get little value.

If you get Backwater Swamp totem spawns, survs are f####.

Now take a look at eruption, this perk gives you the chance to blow a gen for 10% (probably, didnt check) of progress while applying 25sec of total shutdown of any actions.

This Is Strong. This. Is. Really. Strong.

Now consider the only requirement for this is to kick a gen, which is something that is normal to any game, more than ever since Brine/overcharge meta. As you also said, GENS FLY so as long as survs keeps repairing, you have less gens to kick, therefore survs are more likely to be in a 'kicked for you' gen, so its consistency rises up as long as time passes.

Now also consider that you cant prevent this effect unless you are in comms.

######### everyone who plays anything but 4-man SWF ig?

I don't know how else to frame this. Eruption is causative, not symptomatic. Players are saying "do the right gens" and "don't 3 gen". Eruption is literally the reason those 3 gens happen in the first place when it's combined with other gen kick regressions. It's not symptomatic of survivors 3 gen'ing themselves.

The alternative to not working on the kicked gens is to 3 gen yourself. You either have to eat repeated Eruptions trying to break the 3 gen, or do every other gen and 3 gen yourself.

It's not reasonable for me to load in, kick every gen on repeat in a 4 gen with Eruption/CoB, and then say "why didn't you guys just break the gen cluster???"

Why don't survivors just spawn on hooks?

It in unbalanced, and it is strong and meta because it is unbalanced.

You can't have a perk that punish you for not playing with friends. It is common sense. And the fact that you only need a gen kick for a perk that has no counterplay for like 60% of surv playerbase that does not play on comms is laughable.

Plus you have to consider that while you can argue that eruption cant stall and win the game for itself, killers have no restriction against how many regressing perks they can stack.

So the combination of this uncounterable, very strong incapacitating effect perk with the other regressing perks leads to the destruction and punishment soloQ teams.

Killers will always camp and tunnel when they need it.

At least they wont tunnel while proc'ing explosions across the map

The perk has little impact on me due to the solo loadouts I use. The biggest hindrance I get from it is the teammates that continually fall victim to it. Worse yet is when they are on the gen with me and ignore my warnings to let go.

A major factor of its success (just my opinion) is that even after knowing the killer is using it, survivors will still recklessly allow chases to start and just shift w until downed without even attempting to break away.