Give Me a Reason to Play Survivor

Well that sounds, like most of the time, like a matchmaking problem when "casuals" are getting matched with "tryhards".

And if the scenario is that on side doesn't have anymore casuals left, thanks to everbody going tryhard to prepare for eventual tryhard opponents.

And if that's the case, that's the point when the rest of the community has to accept that the casual part of the game is dead.

For example league of legends, you can't really play goofy casual and expect to win. Going for a ADC and make a tank built will inevitably result in your loss.

Same in DBD today, either you die a casual or become a tryhard too.

Yeah it’s definitely demoralising at times. I wish there was more build variety on both sides so games could be more dynamic but just running 4 slowdown/ second chance/exhaustion is just better for most games

I'm gonna guess the solo teams are the ones constantly getting caught up in chain hunts because 3/4 of them refuse to get the box? Lol I can't remember the last time I escaped against a Pinhead. I'm literally always the one having to get the box.

I had a game earlier where I had to start the same gen over and over, so I get the frustration. I ended up getting it finally but it was pretty much all I did in the entire game aside from getting chased or hooked. I was the last one to die too, but I didn't care because I got that darn gen finished lol

Not really necessary.

Open to 10%, hide, wait for the killer to check and leave again, then open it all the way.

Sole Survivor is a solid perk all on it's own, and can benefit you before the endgame. You still get 3 perks to help you out in general play this way.

If you want to rely on yourself more & still improve MMR (for those games where everyone dies before you do), start running a gate open build. I've been running it for a month or so now & been loving it.

I started with Fixated, Adrenaline, Wake Up & Sole Survivor.

I altered it after the recent new patch to Dead Hard, Adrenaline, Wake Up & Sole Survivor. I wanted to have a chance at prolonging chases during the match to help my team out more.

I kid you not, out of all the times I've now gotten to that forced situation (30+), I've only died twice. No one can really catch you opening the gate unless they're Blight, Spirit or Nurse. You rely on the killer to get hatch, they get hatch (Adrenaline pops) and you most likely will get a gate open if you play it properly. Rushing the gate isn't always the right choice but its dependent on the match and situation (like if the hatch was near a gate or the 2 gates are easily in LoS of each other, etc).

The main reason I started running this is because of unreliable teammates who either D/C'd, went down incredibly quick, hook bombed, killed themselves on hook, etc. List goes on.

Try it out man.

Okay let me try to answer this wall of text.

A good team of solo with equal skill can be indistinguishable from swf sometimes and here we again have the problem of not working MMR. If it would work then all survivor and the killer would have comparable skill and the same drive to either win or be casual since that determines if you rise or fall in MMR.

And since you seem to be a little hung up on lol now, it's the same in normal queue where matchmaking works and the normally good/tryhard players play with other like them and the casuals or bad players are mostly matched with the same except for mixed premade teams like mine with me around platin-diamond and a friend that will never climb out if bronze with her having played it for 5-10 years already and still maxing E first on her main Jinx 😩 and buying tank items when falling behind.

Others and me have advocated for a ping system or in-game voice for years now and it is up to the devs to finally do something to bring swf, solo and everything in between on the same level.

That is exactly what I was saying. The casual is dying out in online pvp games after time when the most efficient stuff aka meta is slowly established.

I for example played rainbow six siege since release and stopped after my best friend i play it with died 2 years ago. I was pretty good, also around gold/diamond, but nowadays i would get steamrolled because I have no idea of the fast paced meta i see on YouTube today.

DBD is no different.

I won't address your point about pips in more details since that is a subjective goal in my eyes with the monthly hard reset and only the BP rewards.

But your point about games going too fast with the meta perks, that only happens when non "tryhard" meets "tryhard". When bots sides bring the best then we end up on the same level as if both sides brought absolutely nothing since meta is there to counterbalance other meta. Again a point i made earlier already, when both sides have the same mentality it works but matchmaking does not guarantee that to the same degree like in other games.

The bbq incentive made people play more into the casual mentality not the other way around but that perk is dead today anyway. And you don't need an incentive to make people go for the win, that is inscripted into humans on an instinctual level, but to make them play less competitive and more easy going need a more carrot like approach from the "stick and carrot" principle.

Of course they are different and normally different queues should separate those different players but DBD does not allow for that so matchmaking should do that job, to a certain extent.

I own this game since its release but played only around 300 hours, just for information. I quit exactly because as a friendly casual killer you get often matched with survivor doing everything to win or not trying to win at all but to toy with the solo killer player.

I did an experiment by playing the few dozen hours in the last 2 years avoiding all killing and playing extra friendly without blatant farming to see how grateful survivor would be for the different treatment to all the unfun playtstyle compalined about on the forums. And I can tell you it does not feel rewarding to not go for the win and therefore DBD wasn't worth my time after 300 hours, it got boring and repetitive without teammates coupled with occasionally still negative feedback.

That is the same in all online pvp games. Casuals aren't welcome after game run a certain time. They either get their own playing mode or have to adapt to not be left behind by the people that want to win, no matter what prize awaits them and let's be honest, being the best in whatever video game gives nothing more than only bragging rights outside of real eSports with prize money. Nobody in the real world cares if someone is diamond, platin or challenger in whatever game.

And about tryhard being an insult, that comes from other casuals that don't like when they don't get their casual matches.

Uff that's a wall of text and a half. Let's end this discussion here maybe. We went hard of topic and I don't see us seeing eye to eye onto those points.

I was casual and quit, you are casual and complain about repetitive tryhard killers in your games but the sad reality is that the tryhards always win in the long term in online pvp games and the casuals either adapt, are okay with being at the bottom of the ladder or are driven out of games. That's the way online pvp games go over the course of their lifetime.

Yeah, me too. I' ll probably finish the last levels of the rift and then take a long break from dbd at least until they improve the matchmaking.

It is just too stressful to play dbd these days.😞

Can't really give you any good reasons other than that it's comforting to know that I'm not the only suffering while everyone else has so much fun and escapes 80%+ of their matches because survivors are so OP.

I have no idea how they manage to come up with these matches, the steamrolling killer with massive slowdowns and pressure wiping the survivors off the map before two gens are done is just the majority of the games, the rest is experienced survivors outclassing a killer who has no clue what he is doing and is lucky to get a single hook all game. Which isn't exactly fun either though I think this must exist to make up for the other games. Sometimes I wonder why they don't fix matchmaking by taking two random lobbies that the matchmaker came up with and swapping out survivors and killer.

Some say there are not enough players for good matchmaking, but I've been playing since 2017 and it never did feel that solo queue was as hopeless and frustrating as it does today. This doesn't mean that there were no bad matches, but not frustratingly long streaks of extremely one-sided games, and for every bad game there were enough good games to not really be bothered by the bad ones. And I doubt the game has lost so many players that matches all of a sudden need to be worse.

Killer queues aren’t that long either. I don’t know what time you play or what region you’re in, but for me there almost as short as survivor queues.

Maybe its a region thing or the time of day i play. But my killer queues are most of the time almost instant. When i have to wait, then never more than 2 minutes. The matchmaking incentive really worked wonders.

Be the change you want to see, be a fair killer

For me, solo queue is just a machine for grinding bloodpoints, no more, no less. If the team looks like it's actually trying to do something, I'll pitch in, but if they're just clowning the killer, farming hooks, etc, I just keep to myself and try to get as many bps out of the match as possible (push gens, open chests, cleanse totems, so on).