Killers that use the hook as the watering hole…

Most of the time killers who tunnel/camp/slug strategically will win (getting at least 3 kills) while killers who play "fair" either get the same result or draw (just 2 kills). Main problem is that survs will also complain and insult, even the killer played fair. So i totally get why killers don't care anymore. Why should they care about survs fun when survs don't care about killers fun?

What you say at the end is quite true. I'm playing extremely chill as killer and often let at least one survivor go, and most times I'm facing real sweethearts. I genuinely can't remember the last time I had a salty endgame chat from survivors. Even when I get survivors that are a bit clicky at first, my baby killer charm gets to them and the rest of the game is all in good fun. =)

As for quirky unintended camp/tunnel stories, I played Hag yesterday on Azarov's Resting Place. That map has a HUGE bottleneck, and by force of things, I hooked one survivor exactly there. I thought I'd check the gens on the other side of the map quickly (which is dumb because I should stay in my web and protect my 3 gen), but on the way back realised that I would HAVE to walk past the hook again which was completely unintended.

I had a few seconds of being like "... can someone please set off a trap so that I can cleanly teleport back ? No ? Oh well..." X)

This is a weird take.

Imagine in a game people complain because one side has an atomic bomb that the other side has to counter with only 4 sticks. The side with the atomic bomb always manages to either wipe the other team or at the very least kill one of the 4 in the enemy team each time they press the "Atomic bomb" button.

When the side with the atomic bomb inevitably wins, the other side will obviously will complain. Yet your take is "lmao don't fall for it, you're giving a terrible impression of yourself."

The counterplay to the atomic bomb is several degrees more difficult to pull off than pressing the button to release the bomb. The people trying to counter it aren't making themselves look ridiculous when only the most skilled players get to actually counter it.

Your take only works if the tactic is easy to counter, like getting poked with a needle and dying when your team all have guns. That's when the other side is looking ridiculous for complaining.

If survivors complain for dying to a trapper's trap, I'd understand your take, but things like getting slugged, tunneled out or face camped require ridiculous amounts of coordination and team play from one side, and just the choice to do it from the other. I don't think the recieving end looks that bad when they could easily be average survivors vs a low tier killer and still be unable to coordinate against it.

No offense, but this is survivor victim complex nonsense.

In my time playing, I've come to feel that there are only two scenarios where you are really borderline helpless as a surv/surv team:

1. A hard, focused tunnel by a skilled killer.
2. A serial facecamp by a Bubba.

Outside of those, there is always totally viable (though perhaps not fun) counterplay, though it's often not counterplay surv teams want to consider (leaving someone essentially to die on hook, or being willing to be that person, for example).

Saying the killer is wielding an nuclear bomb and all the survs have are twigs is god-tier hyperbole. As a killer go try to camp/proxy camp and play the trade attrition game against a really good team of survs. You'll get absolutely rinsed the majority of the time.

Again, these "type B" tactics almost always only work because of lack of game sense and/or being overly altruistic, and is exacerbated in solo by lack of info. But there is no David v. Goliath going on here. If you got wrecked by a camper, they were either Bubba, or you allowed yourself to get played.

But these tactics might feel like you are having a bomb dropped on you when you don't realize you can get out of the blast radius. Good survs don't consistently die to these tactics.

I have a hard time accepting camping Bubbas on any basis, but there is a lot of truth here.

The same applies to tunneling; that fist down doesn't have to be a given. I have watched (I am not spectacular myself) a killer try to catch a surv for ages. I'm sure we all have seen that play out. I have also seen bad killers go back to the well and try to tunnel out the same surv it took them five minutes to down, and throw the game.

Which always circles back to the unpleasant truth: bad killers don't 4K teams of better survivors very often at all. Most of the time, if your team all died, it was because the killer was better. If their tactics seemed low skill and you still all died, follow that to the logical conclusion, unpleasant though it may be.

The entire time the killer is in chase with 1 person, the other 3 people are only limited by their circumstances. If all 3 are up, that 1 person can throw every pallet at every loop and still have a chance of lasting more than 180 seconds. Remember that needing to break a pallet or landing a hit both reset bloodlust, so proper cadences of god pallets can prevent the killer from maintaining (or even achieving) T3 bloodlust the entire chase. Being able to rationalize if a chase is going to be a time sink early is extremely important to prioritization, which is why its always best to focus on weaker loopers (and recognize them as such as early as possible, of course)

not only that, but the point of actions isn't always to escape, sometimes its just to undo or minimize the killer's pressure. If someone on a fresh hook goes down to prevent someone on death hook from being removed from the game, its generally considered a net positive for the survivors, even if they get hooked instead. The whole comp corner meme is specifically because it makes it take longer for the killer to walk to the hook (not to have a better chance of wiggling free, but to give teammates more time to do anything from gens to saboing.)

Basically the important part is to last long enough to do more damage to the killer's momentum than he does to the survivors by eventually catching you. Its the best defense against LCD strats, since they rely on efficiency to make them work time-wise.

And this is completely irrelevant in Solo Q.

I could drop every pallet in the map and have a 5 minute chase. 2 gens will pop. Is that my fault? Yes. I queue'd up without a 4-man.

I know this is off topic but... The use of the atomic bomb as an analogy is a bit sad. (I'm Japanese, so I chuckle)

Now, since one killer and four survivors are asymmetrical, it is a bit difficult to compare them with a button and a piece of stick from an atomic bomb. In that case the kill rate is 100%.

Camping and tunneling is not like pushing a button on an atomic bomb...

It's hard for me to come up with an analogy, but if it's advantageous to focus on one survivor, then it should be. Even if you can secure one kill as a result of doing so, you may still have three people escape.

I agree that the problem is the gap between solo and SWF. When solos are able to work together, the threat of camping and tunneling is lessened. Unless the survivor who is made to do so commits suicide or DC.

Also, tunneling is about going for the snowball after securing a numerical advantage by going for a sure kill of one person, whereas camping is not viable without three people hoping to waste time crouching and unhooking without repairing the generator.