Slug update WHEN!?

What do you mean no risk? UB exists even when it's not basekit lol. Also the other survivior can outplay the killer and pick up instead of running for hatch.

What you are proposing would mean that killer either has to forefit 1 kill (hooking in 2 survivior situation at higher mmr guarantees the last person escapes) or forefit 2 kills if it's in the endgame.

Also I believe that just being able to pick yourself up wouldn't fix anything, because if it's not endgame then the killer can just continue slugging until both surviviors are down, no matter how many times they pick themselves up.

I guess you totally missed the point, mate ^^

You clearly didn't read what I typed or need more clarification. Survivors that sit in the exit gate and just sit there waiting for you to force them out compared to a killer slugging to get a 4k which one is trying to win while the other is basically bragging about the win.

if they are healthy they will. they wont take any risk of actually being downed unless they can immediately crawl out.

Except I've seen some bs spawns where they'll be right there where they got downed.

I'm all for a "Off yourself" option being available if there are two survivors left. Out of 10 matches today I have gotten 8 sluggers. Dev's put hatch in the game for the last survivor but SOME killers decide that it shouldn't be there so they take away the option. I'm all for taking away the hatch as well so that survivors won't play locker tactic but something should go for killers as well then. Someone posted a video in another thread of a killer stalemating a game for over an hour with gen regression/slowdown. You expect 1-2 survivors to be able to do that even if there was 1 gen left? Be real here. With 1-5 gens left and two survivors, it is near impossible to finish that.

It was not good for the game, at least in the state it was in. I'm glad it hasn't happened

Uh boy then you never had the opportunity to get spam vaulted by survivors unwilling to leave without an audience.

I just came back from a longer break, I had 8 games, 5 of them nobody got hooked, just let all bleed out wth

"Or as an alternative solution, give me a "surrender" button that I can press after about 90 seconds so I can move on to the next match."

I really only play killer, survivor whenever with friends, but that's the best idea for slug fixes that I feel would be the most accepted. Implementing this correctly could follow the lines of basically being a non-punishing disconnect, the killer gets rewarded for the down & the survivor can simply leave. Obviously it's more in-depth than that, such as playing with a party, the amount of time that feels justified for this option to be available, how it effects the other three, etc., but this is giving a solution to a problem that doesn't happen often enough. I do feel slugging as a topic is seriously way too exaggerated though. I get some people don't have hours to play games, I get its not exactly fun to just lay there while the killer goes for the 4k, but seriously this topic needs a chill. I play Pyramid Head, Spirit and Nurse (omg tryhard stfu grr, totally not because I enjoy the killers and wanna have fun), all map manipulation killers, and sorry to say this, but I'm not going to intentionally play worse because "I don't like being idol". I get that it isn't fun, but I've seriously never heard anybody talk about the killer side. On the topic of fun, do you think its fun when near every game, survivors feel the need to bag you during the game and at the gate? How after a game where you've played clean, you still get insulted? Like please be honest with yourself, slugging is not always toxic and isn't some dirty tactic to spite the survivors (case by case of course, don't get me wrong), and is FAR from a real issue.

Scenario: Two survivors are down, two more are injured. I can visibly see one of the two standing, and down them. After the third survivor is down, I have eyes on the fourth, pursue them, and eventually down them for a 4K. Choosing to chase and catch the fourth survivor is not toxic, and players need to realize that when you say that's a bad way to play, you're telling me to intentionally throw so you can have fun. If I intentionally throw, I'd say a safe 8/10 times, these same survivors will give toxic behavior to me, regardless of the choice I make. If I go with the scenario instead, I get called a slugger with a skill issue and told im bad at the game. Obviously none of these are taken personally or anything, but its just annoying for players. Slugging or not, toxic behavior from survivors happens CONSTANTLY and I feel players ignore that side of things. Apologies, but you cannot argue how toxic slugging is when you yourself exhibit toxic behavior.

Argument: Just hook the survivors when you down them, its not that difficult bozo. Unfortunately like earlier, I'm not going to intentionally throw. Lets take a look at the scenario I gave, I decide to pick up one of the two downed survivors and hook them. In that time, the two standing survivors have healed the second downed survivor, and now its a 3v1, opposed to taking my path where I can end the game right there with a victory. Alas, that option is simply "toxic" and "harmful" to the game, even though its simple strategy to use, satisfying to execute correctly, and whether you like it or not, the correct way to play. Once again, you cannot just expect killers to throw just because its simply not fun for you.

Obviously this going without saying, everything is case by case, which brings me to my end point, slugging isn't the issue. Realistically, you cant "nerf slugging" without creating more problems than solutions, because slugging isn't the problem, its the players who use it in toxic ways. For example, nurse EXCELS at slugging, I'd argue its the best killer in the game to slug with. Going off of taking opportunities given to me, more times than not, the best option is literally slugging. There needs to be an understanding that this isn't done in spite of anybody, and it doesn't just equate to "wow this player is a tryhard", its simply the best action to take. I haven't really played since the big patch after the anniversary, but I've recently started playing again and soloing pyramid head, and again, slugging becomes a very real option at times. Most times I'll choose to check my surroundings before I pick up a survivor, which occasionally results in a second survivor being downed. This is NOT toxic, this is simply being aware of my surroundings and making a play that favors me. Lets use that again for another scenario, lets say this pattern repeats for each survivor. Down survivor, find another within the area, down them, repeat until I'm committing the sin of "slugging". I don't get how you can really call that toxic, realistically whats toxic about that. "Take into consideration other peoples time and enjoyment" dawg you entered the queue to play a game of dead by daylight, which I think its safe to say that you aren't exactly looking for "a quick game", and if you are, you really shouldn't have chosen dead by daylight of all games when you're on a time crunch. Ill take this oppourtinity to add that whenever I find an opportunity to slug, at least personally, its a very open and closed book. I rarely find situations where I'm slugging for absurd amounts of time, its rather quick just simply due to the numbers disadvantage, which I think further adds to "slugging is too exaggerated", if the killer is slugging multiple players, I think its safe to assume it wont be long until the game ends. To add to this and tackle the "enjoyment" side, once again, you chose to play dbd of all games lol. In all seriousness though like you can't expect every game to just be fun and enjoyable, whether there's a toxic killer or you simply just lose. The truth isn't hard to find here, it's not a good feeling to lose a game that took over 20 minutes to play, it can be frustrating, especially if something like slugging is used during the game, but are you gonna be the player to cry about it? In certain games, it's very understandable to get angry, but jesus lord I still cant find a reason to get angry at dbd. You aren't playing for some leaderboard, ranks are meaningless now (and aren't even shown anymore so like ???), and I think its safe to say over 95% of players aren't playing for some tournament or something. Get real, if you lose a game, it doesn't meant anything. If you win a game, it doesn't mean anything. You always have another game ahead of you, not every game is winnable. You are going to encounter toxic players, you are going to encounter killers who slug, you are going to have unfortunate experiences. Its not the killers fault nor the games fault that you're letting it completely ruin your day though, take a break if you need so, or just chat up some friends while playing, its not the killers fault you cant control your emotions.

one last thing, if you're being toxic to the killer and they proceed to slug you, bro stop complaining as if its the killers issue LMFAO

There is something I'm not quite understanding. So, let's say base unbreakable drops. The situation as usual: 2 survivors left at maybe 3 or 2 gens. Killer downs one person, then searches for the other. Downed person gets up, other person gets downed. Rinse and repeat. Wouldn't...it be almost the same situation still? Or am I missing something? Genuinely asking here.

Where did you get this information lmao

Also, "endgame means killer lost the match"?

XD? Blood Warden, NOED, No Way Out?

All BHVR has to do to fix this is when there are only 2 survivors left on the map is to give them infinite unbreakable so it would force the killer to hook one of the last 2 when he gets a down, giving the other a chance for hatch. Easy peasy. although i think that hatch shouldnt be in the game at all nor should there be a basement. but BHVR will never remove them from the game so just give the last 2 survivors infinite unbreakable so the mechanics BHVR has implemented will actually work.

Hatch is there and it is the reason you get slugged genius. No one would slug if killing a survivior in 1v2 wasn't a risk.

I'm not saying hatch should be removed, but blaming killer for playing as the game suggests is dumb

Here's my take. Getting slugged sucks, especially when its at the end of the game and there's no realistic chance of escape. But ultimately, it doesn't last forever. There is nothing wrong with a killer wanting to kill everyone in the game, its there job after all. Just like there is nothing wrong with survivors wanting to get all 4 of them out. It is not "malicious" or "morally wrong" to try to win a pvp video game. If you hate being slugged, there are perks to help avoid it. I personally dont slug for the 4th but I won't pile hate on people who do.

Also, I think the basekit UB/Last Stand Mori is a really bad idea. Not only does it encourage more slugging( despite the fact its supposed to stop it) but it is also fixing a problem that is entirely BHVR's own creation. No one, and I repeat, NO ONE thought that moris are overpowered in their current state. If you are getting mori'd then you would be dead anyways or a killer had to devote a precious perk slot to make it possible. Basekit BT is fine and probs should have been in the game from the get-go, but basekit UB will straight up kill several playstyles and killers (see Twins, Oni, etc). If BHVR has any sense they will ditch this idea and head back to the drawing board to create new solutions that dont assassinate player freedom.