For people that want Nurse nerfed

I only think some of her add ons need adjusting.

I guess I can't make you stop putting faith in a movement speed as pathetic as 4.2 being the most uncounterable thing since Frank's Mix Tape, huh? It is hilariously easy to keep leagues of distance on a killer with 105 movement speed; you will not be securing any kills against smart people by trying to whittle them down with your W key at that speed. If a survivor is so close to you when you're making the choice to catch up like that that a vault can guarantee a blink hit then that is ENTIRELY on them. There is absolutely counterplay to what you're describing; the counterplay to that is "Don't let the 105 killer opting not to use her wallbanging teleport tool catch up to you, dingus."

I can only see it limiting survivors’ options if they’re playing on a map the size of a jail cell. Other than that, it’ll just force Nurse players to git gud with the one blink they have.

I quickly checked on the wiki and got this information:

That would make it 2.9 m of distance during lunge...

I however do not know how it fits together with this one:

Because if we take what we got above that would mean that a quick attack could reach at 3.1m and that sounds ridiculous, because otherwise I don't understand how they got to 6m, they even wrote above that this increase in movementspeed is what makes the difference between lunge attack and quick attack...

But if we assume that the 5.667m are correct then we need to ask about the time this lunge takes ... If we take this into acount then we can assume at least 0.4/0.5 seconds for the whole process, in which the survivor will gain another 2 m which makes the effective range about 3.667m.

Taking this stuff into account we can now determine at which range the nurse could still hit a survivor if she blinked perfectly on top of where they were. Given that 3.667m is below 4m/s that the survivor moves at we already know that nurse can not travel for more than 1 second because otherwise she would be out of range for it to hit. Nurse blinks at 13.33 m/s So she can blink for not much more than 12 m. Otherwise she just has to guess 1 out of 8 directions the survivor could have ran from their original point. And since there is no 2nd blink to correct it this really not good.

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Yeah, I think it would be a fair trade 1 map that she cant play but being fair overall.

actually there is a way to down in that map, you just would need to walk a lot. Lerys is infamous for already being bad for killers powers. Nurse in the way she is now, people will keep refusing to play vs her for whatever reason, in which ends up in the same: she just cant play.

In that case you don't understand advanced nurse gameplay, when you want a easy blink you start to walk until the survivor gets in a bad position, look at any old school nurse specially when someone enters their heads. A walking nurse is the most boring aspect of her gameplay because at this point she is going to hit you 90% of the time.

Another idea would to give survivors 1 more health state on their first chase, the nurse would need to hit them to steal their breath and then she becomes normal. That would give some breathing room in the begining of the match.

Yes, like nemesis, but you cant vaccinate (or maybe you can depend on how you want to approach it); this plus DH, can make a somewhat decent chase at the begening and nerf perks like lethal and starstruck because she needs to hit them prior to start to give damage

This change on nurse would indirectly nerf lethal for her, because the chase is not going to be as short. Nowdays, she can have lethal with kavanagh and literally snipe you even before you know it's a nurse.

I talked about the stealing the breath of survivors because it's on her lore, in that case you can supose nemesis is that character, he needs to infect u before dealing damage.

If you really want to nerf her you can make so it goes away every time u got downed, that would help with her sluggin and also tunelling.

No i mean, its like you got vaccinated vs nemesis everytime you got downed.

I have 2 different ideas (pick one) :

1. Make Nurse and Blight "build up " characters since they are the best killers. Remove buildup from all other killers. Make Nurse need to hit surviovrs 3 times with only one blink in order to give her access to second blink. Give Blight only 3 tokens until he hits 3 times with a rush.
2. Give Nurse various nerfs that make her weaker overall. Remove the ability to use starstruck except on non blink hits. Make Nurse wipe her weapon after a successful hit and THEN have fatigue (this will stop the cycle of blink blink hit- blink blink hit). Remove Collision from nurse until after she has recovered from fatigue (to prevent body blocking and allow more PoV tech ). Remove all Blink recharge and distance addons (or reduce the effects to old pig addon levels 1.5-3% effects). Give Nurse a full lunge on the first blink but only a Michael Myers T1 "baby" lunge on the second blink. Change one addon to give her full lunge on second blink (purple).

Onis Power is arguably the strongest in the game... When you say remove all buildup from other killers, does that mean oni gets his power for the entire game? Ok, Oni is now the strongest killer in the game.

I don't mind the weapon whipe thing to much, but the baby lunge is just annoying af...

I'm not saying something against that, I'm just saying that because he needs buildup it is fine that his power is the strongest in the game. And limiting other killers powers in a similar way might be too much.

Even though I admit it would be kind of cool to have for example an Oni addon that removes your power to insta down but you have the power the entire game... I don't know how strong that would be... Map traversal and anti loop would be ridiculous but he would need two hits so...

Do you really think she is that much better than MDR spirit or Blight with his best addons? Because I don't think she is.

Yes ofc but I would say that with just an addon pass and some basekit changes you could also nerf her without needing to rework her entirely, so that's why I am asking why you think it cannot be solved with changing some of her existing parts. I think basekit nurse without addons is not that oppresive..

I'm not saying the nurse never walks.

I'm just saying that proposing that she can't teleport through more than one obstacle is definitely not a valid idea. 

She would become the most laughable killer to face, the moment the survivor was next to a wall corner.

And while, of course, a nurse can walk to adjust her blink beforehand, there is a difference between walking "a little" and "a lot", as you suggest.

The whole point of the nurse is that she can walk 20/24/26/30m without crossing most obstacles she encounters.

If I want to play a killer who is limited by walls and other physical obstacles, I have the other 29 killers at my disposal.

I suggest you play with the nurse regularly, so that you understand that what you are suggesting contains a lot of nonsense.

"Make Nurse need to hit surviovrs 3 times with only one blink in order to give her access to second blink"

The nurse's first blink is, in most cases, only to get closer to her target. It is with the 2nd blink that she will lock on to her target and deliver her shot.

Sometimes it is possible to hit a survivor with the first blink, but this is not a constant and is unlikely to work against experienced survivors.

"Make Nurse wipe her weapon after a successful hit and THEN have fatigue (this will stop the cycle of blink blink hit- blink blink hit)."

The nurse doesn't need to be slowed down any more than that after a hit; the survivor has, unless of course he is in a deadzone, already time to get to a loop spot where to extend the hunt, thanks to the acceleration the killer's hit gives him.

"Remove all Blink recharge and distance addons (or reduce the effects to old pig addon levels 1.5-3% effects)."

There is no reason to touch her addons.

I remind you that the nurse's range addons are only felt when she is more than 24/26/30m away. When she is chasing you, since she is relatively close to you, it is like playing against a nurse with no (range) addons.

"Give Nurse a full lunge on the first blink but only a Michael Myers T1 "baby" lunge on the second blink."

Again, Nurse needs her second blink to secure her shot, unless she's lucky, or playing against potatoes, and it would be totally illogical to force her to use an addon just to be able to use a basic element of her gameplay.

And again, for all the people who suggest turning her M1s into M2s: there is no good reason to do that, because it would prevent her from using certain perks, such as Jolt, Sloppy Butcher or K.O. and there is no reason why the nurse can't use those perks.

Regarding the Starstruck problem, remove her TR when she is carrying a survivor and we won't talk about it.

As I said, she needs to be more in line with other killers. It has come to a point where the devs have to nerf perks just because of her. In terms of strength, I don't think base nurse is too oppressive though

As I'm sure others have said, the main problem with nurse is that she's one of the few (if not the only) killers whose power counts as a basic attack.

As Pig I move slightly faster for a short time and I hit a survivor, I don't instantly down them even with Exposed, because Exposed requires a basic attack.

Yet, Nurse literally TELEPORTS to the survivor faster than Pig can even blink (pun not intended) and because she then gets a basic attack, the survivor is downed instantly.

So yea, as both a Killer and Survivor player, I think the main change that needs to happen with Nurse is to bring her in line with every other killer and make her attacks count as special attacks until after her fatigue.

I want a full rework of the character, not a bhvr rework where they do an add-on pass and change 1-2 things base kit(what a joke rework). She should have a different power entirely.