I was 100% right about Sadako and you all were 100% wrong!

I only know Sadako from a survivor POV - but my general takeaway is: everyone who tries to play her as a regular killer fails miserably at it. These usually turn into hard tunneling killers who use TVs for one purpose only (to teleport back to hook the moment someone gets unhooked) and her non-collision phase to make sure they get the person they want to runnel out. They usually get two kills tops --- and then blame both the outcome as well as their strategy on her being weak. - Friend, maybe you're trying the wrong strategy?

Condemn Sadako works pretty well. The other Sadakos who seemed to do pretty well seem to utilise teleportation and condemn as passive slowdown. They only commit to chases if they can afford it. Gen pressure seems to always come first. Once map resources are whittled down and she can somewhat efficiently patrol the remaining gens beating her is all about efficiency and trying to lure her into commiting to a chase she can't afford. She doesn't need an actual three gen for a three gen strategy and she doesn't need to rely as heavily on certain perks to hold it because sooner or later survs will have to traverse the map to get rid of the condemn.

The greatest issue I have is that close Sadako matches are almost always excrutiatingly long. I like my matches between 10 and 15 minutes, maybe one or two minutes longer. But once it's past the 20min mark it starts to get tiring. - And these Sadako matches regularly last 25+ minutes.

She has become my main killer of late and while I definitely think she is underrated I don't think she is that strong either.

But she is a lot of fun to play and I like going against her so long as they aren't doing the stupid condemned thing. For the record, I never resort to playing like that

She's only good if you either take advantage of condemnation to force kills ignoring hooks or you take advantage of iri videotape allowing you to have near constant mobility by resetting your tvs that normally have too long of a CD.

Her stealth is not really that stealthy due to the lullaby and her phasing can certainly throw survivors off, but she just doesn't do much if she's forced to chase survivors.

We recommend going around the wall.

I will say this. Sadako is definitely a lot better than people give her credit for. Is she top tier tho? No.

When looking at a killers viability there are many things to keep in mind. But when youre comparing them you have to mainly look at Maximum Potential.

When comparing killers you have to look at just how good that killer can be in the hands of some one whos mastered them. You cant compare a master Sadako to lets say, an average Wesker, or bad Blight. They also need to be masters at their craft as well. When you do that, you realize that she still falls short compared to the majority of the cast.

Now another thing, its still very much possible to have good results playing as a mid to bottom tier killer. Putting in the work and hours to learning them will wield you pretty good results against the majority of the playerbase

According to the latest stats Nurse has the second highest pick rate in high MMR and is the fifth most played Killer at all MMR levels, so "people don't play Nurse" can't be an explanation for the fact that her killrate is lower than sadakos.

Babes you're missing my point here massively

Condemnation takes way too long to passively build up from teleporting that it's really not a pressure tool. If you are teleporting everywhere and putting your tvs on cooldown, you're effectively giving each survivor a single stack every 100 seconds. Which is super slow. This doesn't even consider the fact she her condemnation has range and only applies after the teleport. Some TV placements mean survivors can easily run out of range before the teleport finishes.

I've played against many different Sadakos and unless they are using Iri Videotape, there's practically no reason to touch the tvs. Without touching a tv, you'll often end around 3-4 stacks of condemn which is nothing.

I'm not even talking about the Condemnation strat. I'm talking about her pressure on the map, because her map pressure wears out really quickly if you teleport and don't have Iri Videotape.

Survivors have no reason to take tapes and spend time doing that with Sadako's basekit. Even with her tv cd addons, it doesn't matter until she runs Iri Videotape. Having a few stacks of condemn means absolutely nothing and it really isn't until you start getting to 5 stacks where removing condemn is important.

If ur trolling then i salute you. Clown is way better at chasing due to his bottles. Sadako can only demanifest which was old freddy's power kit. She need buffs and change to her add ons and kit.

As an almost exclusive sadako main she aint all that. I also rarely lose with her but that's because of how effective it is to literally bypass all body blocking (condemnation build aside).

I would personally classify their style as "aggressive-aggressive" based on their repeated use of emphasis when stating that anyone who disagrees with them is Wrong! but to each their own! 😂

How are the Sadakos you playing against play? I've certainly lost to a few who play mean with her power.

I faced a Sadako last night who was trying to pull of Devour Hope and they only gotten their 3rd hook a little before the last gen popped. She has to play mean otherwise she's doesn't do anything since her power has little innate ability to help at tiles and condemn is something you have to play around otherwise it's ignorable (I left with 4 stacks without touching a single tv).

Sadako is strong if you use the kill strat but every time I've played against a good Sadako attempting the kill strats the game even if everyone survives dragged out to a near 30 minutes. I find most of the kills she gets is eventually people get bored of being in the same match as her and just giving up.

I feel Sadako's real strength is her power allows her to heavily abuse gen kick and regression builds. If you play her perkless compared to many other kills she will likely get stomped on.

You'd be surprised how often people have been wrong on things here.

I still remember people calling me mad when i said that it takes a little short of a minute to bless a hex totem with TotH. Even one of the more popular streamers got that one wrong.

Or how many people believed 4.4 killers had way worse map pressence then 4.6 killers untill people put the numbers together and noticed there is barrely a difference

Or another funny one how everybody believed rat liver was demo's best addon untill it was found out it didn't work like people thought it worked and it practically did nothing

It has got to a point that when you see something on these forums you can assume it's wrong untill proven otherwise

So Sadako is only good against SoloQ and only good because people are bad at DBD? That is the only take away from what you have said. Which honestly kind of shows the flaws of DBD.

Sadako is poorly designed in that regard, since her effectiveness dies with SWF or when facing half decent survivors. Which is something you quite literally cant argue against since you literally said it yourself.

This is ignoring the fact that most people I see playing Sadako often rely on using the Iridescent and Green Condemned addons (which I have no issue with personally since I know how to counter the Condemned playstyle).

The main takeaway from this (which is my opinion), is that I wish Sadako was just better overall, and sitting here and saying "Sadako is top tier" is not help Sadako get any closer to being a better killer instead of "le SoloQ Destroyer" since that is just bad design imo (reason why I dont like Eruption).

Oh, for shame

I don't think she is top tier, but I also think that some people on these forums are over-exaggerating with their critique on whether she is good or not.

Then again this could be said literally about any killer.

Nurse kill rates are lowered by dc:s. If we can see kill rtes including dc:s she will be much higher.