Why should I not tunnel?

The thing for me is I have kind of a sliding scale based on gens left vs hook states achieved.

As an example if I have lost 3 gens and dont have 6 hookstates and gens are spread out and going to hard to defend based on my build/killer played, this is gonna trigger me tunnelling someone out to catch up in the game because If I dont I will guarenteed lose.

Another example is in a game where the matchmaking screws me over and puts me against even 2 much stronger survivors out of 4 that I have trouble catching because they are too good for me to get in a regular chase, I will target the weaker players to set up a trap so I can try and catch the stronger ones at a disadvantage. When the unhooked survivor then body blocks with BT messing up my plan, I have to down them again and reset my trap so I can get the stronger survivors.

There isn't any reason not to. It's the easiest and sometimes smartest choice.

"If Survivors can do gens as efficiently as possible; Why should Killers be punished for doing the same?"

What options do survivors have to do gens 'inefficiently'?

There isn't really anything wrong with tunnelling, especially if, like me, you find chases interesting and generators boring.

However, not everybody feels the same.

As far as I'm concerned, I'll try to only use an efficient tactic as an answer to another efficient one.

Sounds like a skill issue.

I want to know what your "simple idea to fix the problem is..." This game has a lot of fundamental issues and even if they never get resolved the conversations about potential solutions are fun, especially if the contributors make an attempt at bias control, which I feel you have.

I must admit that I usually just throw the match when I encounter one of the SWF groups that would require tunneling. I just don't find the hatred worth the effort anymore.

I'm not saying punish tunnelling, I'm saying make it an ineffective strategy completely, as in make it more difficult to do. If people want to tunnel they should have to waste time trying to find that specific survivor. I also said that killers should be offered a buff which balances this out

Killers might not have to care about the fun of the other people in their games, but the devs should. If something isn't fun, it shouldn't be in a game, we don't play this as our job.

Tunneling is a strategy and has nothing to do with skill. Same with camping and slugging. Knowing which situation to employ each is a skill, as are using the mechanics of a killers power to the best of your ability. You can be an amazing player and camp, or the worst player in the game and camp.

Old red ranks you would expect to get tunneled every game, because 3 gens would pop for the first chase. What is the killer supposed to do there, exactly? If they were M1 you could easily run them for minutes at a time just dropping safe pallets. That's why everyone had DS.

Now you don't even need to hit a skill check, you come off the hook full health with OTR every time. How many lives do you need lmao?

Well, there is a noticable difference between survivors who split up to four gens at the start and stick to them, no matter what, or those that roam around, some doing gens, some cleansing totems, some opening chests etc.

With the latter I usually get into a chase, down the survivor and on gen pops, or maybe I am lucky and interrupt a gent being repaired at 90%. In this case I will get into the chase with the new survivor and usually hook follows hook and gen follows gen.

In the first case though I down my fist survivor and then 3 gens pop in unison or in a machine gun manner. Now the gloves come off and I play as scummy and "unfun" as possible, tunneling, slugging and showing no mercy.

As crazy as it may sound, but the way survivors tackle gens dictates a lot of the killers options and behaviour. If you take away all the options they are backed against the wall and will lash out.

The problem is that both sides will encounter the so called "unfun" playstyles and after one genrushing/tunneling n camping game too much might change their loadout to a full genrushing // Eruption/CoB/Overload build themselves, just because they feel they need to do this.

BHVR never imposed many restrictions on players loadouts, besides the shared exhaustion timer for exhaustion perks, but maybe its time to implement a coupld of restrictions or caps on slowdown, regression and rushing power, ideally with diminishing returns if certain perks are chosen multiple times, but also informing the players what is at hand.

By taking the hyperefficiency out of the game, the game will be more fun for everyone. But people play hyperefficient builds, because they feel like they have been backed into a corner.

One thing that a lot of people seem to overlook since patch 6.1 is BBQ. Many survivors stated that they hated seeing BBQ every match, but it was actually one of, if not the most healthy perk in the game. Nearly every killer had it equipped for the BP bonus, and as if on accident it also showed every killer all kind of opportunites after hooking someone, peeling them away from the hook without forcing them. Yes, camping occured back then too, but BBQ gave a killer a new target, showed them opportunity and thus kept the game going.

I would propose to find some way to punish killers for camping and tunneling, but also giving them a snol BBQ basekit, ie show them the aura of one survivor when hooking someone and giving them a speedboost of +15% as long as they are moving in the general direction of that survivor, outside of a chase and 16m away from their targeted survivor. This would give killers a big incentive to go hunting instead of camping and even allow slow non-mobility killers to do so without hurting themselves.

Also, maybe we could give killers a one time score event when they hook all four survivors, making this a sort of secondary objective like back in the old days of BP BBQ, and maaaaybe give them a small 15s Entity blocks all gens once every survivor is hooked once and another time once everyone is hooked twice with everyone being still alive, rewarding the killer for spreading the love instead of focusing one down.

Of course it's subjective, but people's opinions about what is fun or not matter. Just because something is based on a subjective feeling doesn't mean it's unimportant.

If enough people share the same opinion about tunnelling then it should be changed. Personally, it isn't fun for me when I or one of my teammates is getting tunnelled out of a game, that's my opinion.

We're all here on the forums to share what we think.

100% this.

If you need to tunnel and camp otherwise you don't win the vast majority of your games as killer in public matches, you are just plain bad at the game - period.

I never tunnel, never camp and I never run unfun things like full regression builds or Eruption at all. I have 3k hours on both killer and survivor (though admittedly more survivor) so I think I have a pretty good game sense at this stage and I am a decent if not amazing killer.

So if I win most of my games playing 'nice' then I don't buy the excuses people make for just being plain unpleasant to others. I think as Scott Jund (who I am no fan of tbh) rightly pointed out in a recent vid, some people seem to feel entitled to win 100% of matches as killer and if they lose a match they cry about how the game is imbalanced (which it is) and survivor sided etc.

Hopefully we will see more done to address tunnelling in the new year as this combined with oppressive gen builds/Eruption are killing the game rapidly.