Delibrately Bleed Survivors to Death For 'FUN'
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wait, I do agree with your suggestion to a certain extent, but i also understand that reply.
If players get in game to pip, and if you get endless slugging bubba or whoever LOL, it's impossible to pip even tho the game ends quicker than the current mechanism.
It is really unfair if that's the case.
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Valid points? None whatsoever.
See you in that "deliberately bleed survivors to death for fun AGAIN" thread.
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But the whole point of my idea is the 1000's of 'Let us give up when slugged' comments Survivors make. Alongside 'The match should just end when we are all slugged'.
This does exactly that. If the bubba was going to slug; he's going to slug. This just lets Survivors get out faster instead of, and I quote from some 'Staring at my character bleeding out for 2 minutes'.
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I'm starting to like the idea. This definitely maximizes the Depip-per-hour quota I'm trying to go for.
This in turn will enable me to proxy-shitpost because the amount of threads complaining about pips will skyrocket.
I'm sure nobody will host dedicated bubba ganksquads for weekends on end just to TOPKEK over all these threads.
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Yes i understand, that's why i agree with ur suggestion to some extent.
That reply actually brought up another issur, the pipping issue, which is related to this situation. Your suggestion might solve the 4 minute wait but does not solve the problem of a unfair result (depip) of being slugged to death from first down.
Don't get me wrong your suggestion is still cool.
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Honestly, pips are an outdated mechanic and should be removed.
And thank you :)
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Giga weird behavior if there's no possible tactical reason to do so. Sure if someone is in a corner or something that's one thing, if they've obviously given up and even crawl under a hook there's nothing but distilled weirdness to it.
And the comparison with survivors waiting until the last nanosecond of EGC to leave is pretty funny to me, at least the killer has the ability to end that by moving their camera in the gate's direction and pressing W and then M1/M2, the survivor either leaves or dies. A survivor being bled out with no perks to help them will get bled out unless the killer has a change of heart all of a sudden. Let survivors straight up crawl to a hook and hook themselves in such situations and I'll agree.
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Can I get some clarification on this, please?
I've only ever heard that 'slugging isn't against the rules', which is true. Not all slugging falls into a 'BM' or greifing category, obviously, so there's nuance to this that can be hard to capture.
But in the past, I've had killers who, when everyone is dead already, stand over my body as I bleed out throwing hatchets at me. Even crawling past several functional hooks, not getting picked up and more hatchets and swinging. Until I eventually bleed out on the ground.
So in this kind of extreme griefing instance, I should be submitting reports for this? I admit it's rare for this level, but I'd always been under the impression that this exact scenario is 'not reportable, don't bother.'
Or maybe I misunderstood and you're only offering an alternative for video upload without trying to imply that the report is valid or actionable.
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... We don't tolerate...
I stopped reading here, because it was funny.
They cultivate!
They make their income from angry players, this is a bad twist on frustration based game montization.
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Thats the exact reason i said what i did, i dont want to argue about terminology, and i didnt argue it that much, i explained it once and when they kept going i said im out, so im not sure what you are on about? Anyway, im out here too.
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It’s completely different when the killer is purposely wasting everyone’s time. At least when survivors are “bullying” the killer the game is still progressing and either team has a chance of losing or winning.
They’re not comparable.
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Probably a better experience than hooking creates. Bleedout allows for more chases and opportunities for altruism anyways.
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Let's not forget, this is aside from the OP's original post, that survivors work as a team. So, if someone is slugged, something can almost always be done. The slugged survivor should fill up their recovery gauge, allowing any other survivor to heal them from the dying state with a simple click of a button. I can't say I've ever been in a game and been slugged until bleeding out. I typically don't slug in the killer games I play. The ONLY time someone might remain slugged and not put on a hook would be a perk like Boil Over. If you have Boil Over equipped, you deserve to stay bleeding on the ground.
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I mean this happens once every like hundred games if that honestly. So rare to not even be a real issue. Even then, the rare times I do see this happen it’s because of something toxic the survivors did to instigate it or they intentionally crawled somewhere that they know the killer can’t hook from and expect the killer to be dumb.
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You as a horror fan should welcome such activities ik this just a game but it's also a grounds of hunting,killers are permitted to do as they like.This why there's no rules in place they've already increased the bleed out timer as it is now.You are pitted against some of the most dangerous individuals from horror and DBD's lore everything done feeds The Entity.It is a killers job and survivors to cause whirlwind of emotional stir ups for The Entity to feed off in theory as bleeding out survivor's has caused you anguished . I've been playing this game for 5 years or 6 this has never bothered me nor heard in complain about me doing it to them?
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If survivor's want to be found they could just let crows build up,but there's also a possibility of crawling to the hatch before killer finds it ,rare but this does happen placing a give up timer also removes pressure for other survivors who could be working on a gen, trophy,or the game in general someone can just go down first beginning of the match and ruin it for others
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there's also a possibility of crawling to the hatch before killer finds itAnd my idea explicitly states you don't get auto-killed if you're crawling.
placing a give up timer also removes pressure for other survivors who could be working on a gen, trophy,or the game in general someone can just go down first beginning of the match and ruin it for othersAnd my idea explicitly states that it only activates if everyone living is slugged or hooked. IE: No one is alive and upright who can come pick them up. Because it only triggers if everyone alive is either slugged or hooked; states that make it 100% impossible to save anyone.
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Sorry I didn't see your post? But wouldn't it only be problematic in solo que where as one survivor would just keep going down putting everyone in a position to be slugged only for them to bypass the dc penalty timer.Which will happen.This would also make sqauds who aren't winning be slugged,kill themselves, let the last guy get hatch because he used his basekit unbreakable?
Also also both sides have a balance to control the map ,as no one can leave without objective done this could be used to take away pips from killer and cheating the killer out of hook state's
Also also it's away to have more control over the game, which survivor's have way to much control as it is.
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Ideally, it should be bannable. There's really absolutely zero reason to bleed-out all four Survivors.
However, it would be too hard to moderate effectively. So, unfortunately, toxic players will be allowed to continue.
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Did you not read the part ,I said about to inflicting pain and anguish to survivors to feed The Entity?
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In my 3700 hours, I;ve never had a game longer than 40 minutes as killer. I had survivors who hid in bushes and corners at red forest, and basement lockers at coldwind. None of which game I felt 'bullied'. I did feel my time was wasted especially in the coldwind game as it took me about 10 minutes to find the last 2 survivors. At the end they were both downed and both disconnected as one of them got a key.
However, I can understand why they hid. They hid to try to escape, which was the objective of playing survivors.
'Bullied' for 2 hours? I had swf with 3 flashlights and 1 sabo box and stopped doing gens when 2 gens left. They all died after 15 minutes max while I got a lot of stuns, including flashlight saves and unable to hook cos the hook was sabotaged. But yeah they all died after 15 mins.
If the killer couldnt finish the game in 2 hours, I dont think it's a problem of toxic behaviour or game mechanics, it's a skill issue.
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And what were you doing to them prior to? I bled a Nancy out tonight, I could have hooked her…she even crawled to the basement at the end. I even hooked her teammates and left her there, so I didn’t waste anyone else’s time. But you know what? She deserved it and I have no regrets.
She wanted to spend the entire match clicking and tbagging over and over and over no matter what I was doing or which other player I was engaging with. So toxic gets toxic back.
I’m not saying you were or were not being toxic, I’m saying you didn’t include enough to judge. You only said what the killer was doing that you found to be toxic.
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Which of those two statements he made isn't true?
I'm a Survivor Main, and he's right. We DON'T care about killer fun and four minutes clearly isn't a big deal. Many of us have zero problem taking a 5 minute DC penalty, but a four minute slug is now the end of the world?
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Forum users try not to put words in your mouth challenge.
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It's rather idiotic to do such a thing for Fun because you'd lose a the most important thing in this game: Time
besides Slugging is meaningless Since they'd find a pallet and just wait for their teammate to save them and at that point you can't do much. if they have flashlight then it's even worse
And yes Killer is being FORCED to do the things they don't like Personally I don't Like Camping And Tunneling But I have to do that in order to win I am a comptetive player and i Like to compete Also the toxicity is another Reason that i HAVE TO do these strategies
They would tea bag you nevertheless play fair or not they would do it to mess up your mind But when You play for 2 years you most likely become Numb to it but then again it's a matter Of insult and insulting shouldn't go unpunished
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I disagree. I also suspect it depends on which region/server you are on. Im mainly on EU, but i did have experience on the US servers, interestingly the US killers are a lot more friendly and fair so I imagine this situation is rare in the US
I have 3700 hours over almost 3 years. It is until the recent 3 months or so, bleeding to death on EU servers began to be a thing. I personally encountered about 6 or 7 killers who did this. The nurse I mentioned in the original post is a repeat offender, as other survivors also left -rep on their steam profile about being bled to death for no reason.
I can also confirm I didnt tbag or point or wave at the killer in my games.
Even if it's rare it doesnt mean it shouldnt be dealt with.
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I did mention in previous respond but I understand you didnt read all of them.
I did not tbag or point or wave at the killer. I did not have a flashlight. Only one gen was done the whole game which was done by me. Another person was left on floor till death. On that killer's steam profile, other players left -rep on how they were being bled to death by this same person for no reason too.
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Survivors need to complete gens to get out. Killers don't need them to finish gens to get all 4 kills.
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The dc penalty is a volunteer one. You actively press the button to dc so you know the consquence. In other situations it's bad wifi or internet which sucks imo.
The being bled to death situation happens involuntarily. It's one or more player's time being wasted by another person.
In your argument, if it's ok to bleed survivors to death unnecessarily for 4 whole minutes, imagine more killers doing so for fun, more survivors spend their gaming time lying on ground, do you think people would still play survivors?
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Well you said, if survivors don't do gens and can 'bully' killers for 2 hours. Which is pretty much some nonsense to me.
When I play killers, Im pretty happy if they don't do gens. Since I can take my time to eliminate them one by one. Hence there are gen slow down perks.
I really don't see your point of killers being 'bullied' if survivors don't do gens.
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Yes.
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If bleeding survivors out on floor became a trend and more killers do so without consequences, I would uninstall. ;)
Why do you think there's an announcement about unbreakable base kit?
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LOL but sorry I do not live in dead by daylight, I live in reality. In reality my 4 whole minutes of leisure time is being wasted by some trolls. I'd much rather use that 4 minutes to get into another session to be scared by a mirror myers or feel the pressure to take the reverse beartrap off my character's head.
If your point is valid, there's no need to have hooks in the game at all. Let's all feel the 'horror' and 'adrenaline rush' of lying on floor for 4 minutes before the game ends
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Literally no one that has permanently quit DBD has done so because of bleeding out.
NO ONE.
There are many reasons to stop playing this game, but four minutes of bleed time isn't it. Especially when it's been in the game for ages, this isn't some new thing that is suddenly gonna cause a Survivor exodus.
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I disagree. Over half of my dbd friends stopped playing bc of some overall unfun, unfair experiences. Being bled out for 4 minutes unnecessarily might not be the ENTIRE and SOLE reason to quit. But it does add up to these overall unpleasant experiences.
And tbf I would be a lot more keen to spend money on dlcs and auric cells if this community isnt as toxic and the devs actually do a better job.
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Malicious slugging sucks but it's not a common thing, at least in my experience. All games have players with bad manners unfortunately. For that reason, I don't like the often suggested 'give up' option. I feel like there is a massive gap between slugging maliciously and slugging strategically. And i know alot of players would give up when the latter is in play as well. I don't DC, but first penalty is like a minute I think? Not advocating it but just pointing out that there are options..
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UB basekit has nothing to do with current slugging. There's a reason it was introduced in the Finisher Mori PTB. It's to complement that update, because the Finisher Mori enables ending the game without a single hook. Since hooks are central to the game, the devs need to still make sure killers use them. Hence, the option for survivors to pick themselves up if the killer tries to slug for a Finisher Mori instead of just getting there naturally.
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It should be reportable as griefing imo
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Lol I didn't say I believe in DBD the lore states this and this is why such things are allowed.
Also you've wasted more than 4 minutes of leisure time, posting this topic
Also I said everything that is done during the trial ?
Did you just decide that my words are unimportant and reply back with something snarky, instead of actually taking them into thought?
That's what it kind of seems like
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I do think your explanation makes sense but i also see conflicts here. If slugging for final mori should be prevented, and hooks should be used, why maliciously bleeding survs out on floor not punishable?
And i'm afraid in my experience on EU servers, malicious slugging as you call it, isn't as rare as you think. And it shouldnt be the person being bled out on floor to take the dc penalty.
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I'm sorry that you feel that I think your words are unimportant and i responded in a snarky way but that isnt my intention at all. Tho I do find it funny that you think horror game players should welcome spending 4 minutes on floor
I open this thread bc I really like dbd and I would like to see the community grow in a healthy way.
Im not forced involuntarily to open this thread. I did this from my free will. But when Im being bled to death for 4 minutes, I do not have the control over that other than taking a dc penalty.
I also do not consider opening this thread as a waste of time.
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Correct. A collection of things. Tunneling this. Eruption that. People that don't like Killer X.
No one has left over bleedout all by itself. Especially since it has been largely unchanged. It has not suddenly gotten worse.
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In my experiences it is getting worse.
I see why tunneling is an issue and why a light bt base kit is added. it's similar to being bled out to death - players being tunneled or bled out on floor don't exactly get the chance to play.
Eruption doesn't bother me that much. As I would still do gens and if it explodes it explodes, I wait for 16 sec and do another gen or unhook my teammate. I am still in the game and I can still choose what to do next, instead of lying on floor waiting for the game to end.
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Name one aspect of the bleed out mechanic that has changed in the last several years.
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I also had another experience of a starstruck nurse at midwich, downed ALL 4 SURVIVORS before any gens got done then let everyone bleed out for 4 minutes.
A nowhere to hide + eruption nurse at gideon and two survivors bled out from multiple downs.
A knock out deathslinger and never hooked anyone the entire game.
Two sadako who used Ring Drawing as addons and slugged until everyone was fully condemned.
And you are right, it happens quite often on EU servers! In the most extreme and malicious cases, it's exactly like the video you posted - killer stands over the slug to watch them bled out or hook until last second just to troll.
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Survivors can bring Unbreakable or Exponential, then a 4 player slug can be turned into a 0k, i have seen this done often.
Anyway, survivors will stand and tbag untill the last second of the endgame collapse 95% of the time.
So i dont buy the argement that "the killer is wasting our time". The only difference is, who is in control of that "wasted time"
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How does changing an aspect of killer help the game because you don't want to be left on the ground to bleed out?
The timer for bleeding out was also increased when a player is moving around.If this happens so much in the EU why not bring bring a key then if you are last survivor,you can still escape through hatch if not surly the killer will be forced to hook you.
There's a lot of inconsistencies to your story , If they were slugging the entire game been slugging the entire game why wasn't anyone on gens which is what survivor's usually do to counter a face camping killer or slug builds because,they have to catch a survivor usually this takes a while to get a full slug game.From,what your saying you where never down by the killer and went from full health to none, which if they had been slugged the most likely ran the killer for a duration which, probably effected the pallet economy and this gives the killer more opportunity to slug which about time the match ended you would have been maybe 35 % of health but it sounds like you had group to play as if you were the only survivor to not be hooked, which infuriated the killer as you were probably being toxic not because he couldn't catch you but the usual bm.
Like I said there's gaps in the story you presented, I'm not understanding how were you guy's not doing gens or helping each off the ground which force's the killer to get into more chases, which the gens should have been finished.If you know this is going to happen why wait there for,four minutes you could fix a drink ,get a snack step outside,go kiss the wife.Are did you hide the entire game and wasted everyone's time?by not participating in the objective since you went from full bleed out?
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you see, there's a HUGE difference between the forum and the actual game chat/gameplay... here BHVR will try to be more concerned as possible regarding toxicity (
despite don't giving a *EHM EHM* about it cause you know, they have a "reputation" to defend), but in game all is permitted... you'll laugh at how many reports i did for death threats, racial slurs, racisms and other nasty stuff and noone of those was even remotely calculated by them... now, regarding the anedocte that you told us... yes, that was extremely scummy since she has no reasons to not hook you in the end, but it's allowed unfortunately cause the game will end (there aren't situations where you are hold hostage in that case)0 -
There are some despicable killers for sure and letting the whole team bleedout for fun just like that is decidedly unfun and uncool, but is it really THAT big of a problem? I nearly never ancountered this, as its most often a response to t-bagging and obnoxious play from the survivors side, then its own dedicated gameplay goal.
Tbh, I have bleed out a couple of survivors myself, but only for two reasons:
1) they were a SWF group hellbend on making my life miserable. Sending me to a map for which they had prepared, hitting me repeatedly with 2 Head Ons followed from blinds etc. while t-bagging me at every opportuninty. These I would gladly bleed dry. In one master piece game, survivor after survivor of their torment SWF group DCed when I dragged them to their 3rd hook, presumably to deny me of any satisfaction and tilt me, knowing fully well that the game would keep going on for longer then 5min, eliminating their penalty.
The master stroke though was letting the last survivor bleeding NEARLY out, while I searched for and closed the hatch as close as possible to the bleedout timer. I then let them wriggle free, and running past them, blocking the exit and thus letting them wait out the nearly full 4min of the EGC. It was super petty, but also somewhat cathartic. Suffice to say that the post game chat was extremely salty as the rest of the SWFs didn't had anything fun to watch and just wait for it to end.
But only ever do this with verified bullying SWFs who tortured you all game. I once bleed out an innocent survivor, whom I projected my frustration onto, who in retrospec didn't do anything wrong but run me for two gens without getting hit and I still think back to that, vowing to give survivores the benefit of the doubt instead of punishing them all for one bad apple. The stuff you do to other people IS the stuff that will decide the big-picture of this community and who the game feels, so its yours to decide how you wanna contribute.
2) sometimes survivors can't take a loss with dignify and will try to crawl into a hook dead zone, especially if one or two other survivors died in that corner earlier that game. Quite literally they will rather bleed to death then give you the Win and let you hook them. Sometimes they see the errors of their ways after a minute or two of bleeding on the floor and they start to wriggle apologetically. In this case they get a single chance to end this game with dignity, but if they wriggle a single time while I am hauling them over to that distant hook, they get dropped immediately and get no second chance while I watch something on youtube. This are the survivors who will accuse you in post game chat with stuff like "lol. Imagine taking this game this serious" or something, yet it was them who decided to crawl into a dead zone and stubbornly bleed out there. If they truly didn't take that game THAT seriously they would probably just have taken the loss and been in a new queue 4min ago.
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The pot calling the kettle black 😂
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