Gens existing is the issue not a symptom

I dont want to make gens harder, just make them work differently from simply holding M1 and change the fact that there can be multiple people holding M1 on multiple gens and accomplish such an easy task that quickly.

Gen slowdown Perks need to be overly opressive or else killers can't have any time to play but then Killers can drag matches to very unfun lengths so Gen Slowdown Perks are not a Solution. And some Gen Slowdown Perks are way too easy to use.

Changing the Time it takes to complete a Gen also isn't a solution because you're just making Holding M1 even more important. The game needs interaction and not holding down a single button.

You can create a true hide and seek gameplay mode where there's a set limit of 10 or 15 minutes and let killers chase people around. The objective for survivors remains Surviving/Escaping but without the pressure of Gen Completion times then killers have a much easier time in actually playing the game, improving chasing skills and you've effectively eliminated the needfor Slowdown and Gen Progress Perks, meaning yes Second Chance Perks will be more popular again but since killer doesn't have such a big time constraint they can still afford longer chases. And the Objective for Killers simply becomes getting as manny Hooks as possible within the Time Limit.

You can make it so survivors must first search for Components to fix gens, which will mean they need to move more which in turn helps killers locate them more and engage with them more which means the necessity for tunneling or Camping goes down. Will some players still absolutly Camp and Tunnel ? Yes they will cause some people are just like that.

How will SoloQ survivors coordinate tho? Let them Ping the Gen they want to work on OR make the game give them a sequential order of the gens they need to work on by highliting the gen they should focus on, that way everyone can know which Gen they should be working on.

Something else you can do is that each survivor can only repair 25% of each gen, meaning all 4 survivor must touch each gen, which will force people to coordinate on which gen to do but gives killer time to intercept whoever needs to go and do their 25% of that gen. This way even if all 4 survivors start the trial seperate they can only have 1/4 of progress on each gen and the time that they need to let go of that gen and find the next one creates pockets of time where the killer can disrupt survivors.

Would that mean tunnelling would break the game? Yes it would and the solution to that is simply increase the capacity of completion the remaining survivors have. So if there's only 3 survivors left then those 3 survivors have an equal split of the gen progress and so on.

Would there be a "need" to tunnel tho? I can't really say it needs proper testing but with people being forced to move around more then the killer is given faster access to chases so the "need" to tunnel should definetly be lowered. And Camping doesn't really sound like an ideal option since you're still static and giving survivors the chance they need to make their progress on the gens, so if they come together and rescue the one person that needs to do their 25% then there's gonna be 3 people ready to bodyblock and annoy the killer.

Gens working like that would fix a problem Survivors have in SoloQ, that problem being the fact people choose to commit to gens and let people reach 2nd hook stage or die. Since you can't do the gen past 25% you are forced to let go of it which gives you the time to search for a Totem for Boon or destroying a Hex or get a rescue or go bodyblock for someone who needs to put their 25% into the gen you already done.

For a 6 year old game there's definetly room for a big shakeup that doesn't simply revolve around number tweaks on Perks but actual fresh Gameplay concepts to revamp and repopularize DbD. The game is bleeding players every month...

I do play other asym games. I do have an issue with DbD's identity because the game itself has an identity issue. It's clearly a casual game at heart however BHVR has made strides with SWF and MMR and manny other choices that make the game go in another direction. A direction that the base core of the game was never meant to handle and the results of those changes over the years show this.

Those changes are made to make the game less casual however the core of the game was designed before that was the case and they haven't changed the core of the game to reflect those changes, thus the identity crisis of DbD.

Yes SWF makes things more competitive, ask any killer player.

Yes MMR should make things more competitive but it doesn't because it's literally ignoring skill whatsoever, so it's only a detriment to matchmaking. You can't get better Teammates because virtually everyone is a bad teammate so good players resort to SWF which removes any good player from the pool so every bad/new player is trapped in Elo Hell against killers that are in fewer number who face the issue of either getting destroyed because they were the strawpicked killers to face that SWF in queue or they're destroying bad players and climb in MMR and then get destroyed and then face more bad players and then get destroyed after climbing MMR a bit, and so on and so forth.

Yes players are trying to make it ESports and BHVR is listening to them hence why SWF and MMR were added after the game already existed. That's the identity crisis.

They have a Casual Core while trying to make ESports happen. You can't do both in a single game mode. Seperate playlists and deal with them both differently and you're basicly Balancing 2 games or commit to one side and rebalance the whole game for it, which would mean remove everything that goes against the thing you chose.

You want it Casual? Remove MMR, remove the emphasis on wins at any cost. You want to make it more Esports? Then remake the core of your game to be a Balanced battle.

Pick one and Commit. You can't have a tug of war between wanting Money from Casuals and Balancing the game for "Pros". You either build your game for Casuals and everyone can "win because results don't matter" or you make the game in a skillfull plane where you need coordination and effort.

What you cannot do is have the Chaos that is SoloQ because anyone with a brain refuses to play SoloQ and anyone with a brain refuses to play Killer against SWF's. Dammned if you do and damned if you don't.

At that point you just gotta say well what do i play then? And the results are You see the game lose players every month since july 2021...The Casuals came and are not staying cause SoloQ is Chaos, new killers don't exist, they win a few matches, get put into the MMR Cap and then it's the killer queue Chaos. And you have the game bleeding players on both sides...

Pick one and commit...Keep it true to what it was always meant to be and remove the things that attempt to make it something else or change the core of your game to reflect the new path.

If you choose the new path then Gens definetly need to be adressed as the curent gameplay revolves around them, they're too fast for one side and too slow for the other. You gotta solve the Holding M1 issue vs the lack of interaction with killer.

I've already presented solutions to this like i've presented solutions to manny other things. Do my solutions go towards a more "Esports" side? Yes and no, i want a game that knows what it is, if it can go Esports? Yes it could, should it go? Idk but at least i have picked and decided on something that is far better than the Chaos that is engulfing it.