How to EZ win as Survivor...or .... How unfair game is.

The extreme amount of dodging that would lead to would be insane. As no killer would willingly go against SWF they'd never get a match again.

Before you rejoice at that thought, keep in mind around half of all survs at least are in a two-man. Queue times would soar for everyone, everywhere.

This ain't the way fam. They won't remove SWF. They cannot do a bloody thing about comms either Nor will they won't impose crazy tourney limitations on perks or items etc.

So they do what they are doing, get solos more info and possibilities of coordination, so ultimately it won't matter solo or not.

Whether that is the correct approach is an entirely different thread, but that seems to be their course.

It is effective, just not with 2 other randoms lol as they typed.

The devs have said many times comms are not cheating. They have even have their own official Discord encouraging survs grouping up.

Knowing they cannot prevent comms, and insisting not to limit anyone on anything, they do the only thing left, get solos closer to SWF level.

SWF groups should have perk slots removed, and this would do the trick.

Sure. But game was designed around survivors having many more pallets, 2 windows at shack, permanently sabotable hooks, hatch allowing whole team to dip and so on.

Killers were never as strong as they are now. The fact is, that SWF and killers are very close to each other. Solo in nightmare to play. Loosing 6 games in a row? Why do you even bother stating it. That's normal. In comparison I don't remember loosing 4 games in a row as killer. Also just yesterday (or day before) I had 3 wins out of 15 games in 4-man SWF. Average hours in a lobby 3000.

That's how "balanced" the game is right now. You loosing 1-3 games in a row does not come even close to how unfair survivor is from patch 6.1. Incentives sais so, kill rate sais so and players dropping also indicate so (I survivor main now play killer more then survivor, because playing against sweaty camping tunneling killers taking most OP addons and as a direct result loosing game after game after game is just not fun).

Oh no not again...

No, killrates are not winrates and I think @Archael give a pretty good explanation of why, even if the comment you are responding to wasn't right.

It may not be Ikea's fault you can't assemble a wardrobe if they give you all the instructions, but if the instructions are all in a different language and the diagrams are drawn in invisible ink, it's also not exactly your fault if you end up with a pretty shoddily assembled piece of furniture at the end. A tool only fixes a problem if it can actually be used by the people affected by the problem, is what I'm saying.

I agree that players who do not think to actively use information shouldn't be balanced around, that is their fault, but they actually need to have that information to use it, and just adding voice comms will not give it to them. The game needs to give them that information itself, not rely on hoping that all four survivors have working mics of good quality, and that they also all speak the same language with the right knowledge of what to call out and when.

I agree that SoloQ players need to be brought up closer to SWF, but voice comms won't achieve that.

"A tool only fixes a problem if it can actually be used by the people affected by the problem" Yeah... that's why they need to give SoloQ that tools. And dude, having common sense and talking is not reading diagrams in invisible ink and instructions in some death language, it's just having common sense and talking 😅

And what more information survivors need, apart of what they can see and hear playing normally? One of them with a map and some aura perks would be the ultimate source of information in a SWF with voicechat! And even if no SoloQ player would think of doing an "informational build" to help the other survivors, they would still be able to give all the information they normally have (where they at, where the killer is, are they being chased, have they located the hex totem, etc.). Also, as far as I know they are adding status icons to survivors, meaning they get even more info of what survivors is doing for free.

So, if we agree that them having the right tools but not using them correctly would be their problem, sorry, but I can see what is your point here.

Simply giving voice chat to survivors is terrible idea. Mostly because not everyone likes hearing screaming furious kid that is frustrated that you do not obey to their leadership.

Also, not everyone has same map awareness, and not swf will never be as coordinated as true swf. I sometimes play with friends, and its not as easy as it seems. Yes, we can effectively share info of who is doing gens, who is near the shack, who is chased by the killer, what killer it is... but we simply cannot give eachother live info of who is where, where are gens, totems, killer etc. "Killer is near me", but where are you? "In a bush, near some water"... and i still dont know where....

Also, not everyone know HOW to comunicate. not everyone knows what is looping, slugging, or even what "shack" is, especially in terms of new players.

For me, there are two things that can be done to closes distance between swf's and soloq, and then, when this distance will be as close as possible, game should be balanced for the middle:

1. Give survs reallife info: kindred, situal awareness etc as basekit.
2. Remove 1 perk slot from each member of swf

It's a bit of a lateral-thinking issue, to be fair, I don't blame you.

Yeah, basically, they'd need to add non-voice ways of conveying information first either way. A ping system isn't the worst idea, I'd support that too, but basically anything that tells you in basic terms what your teammates are doing and what's happening would work. Buffing the heck out of aura perks and items would also work, let them be more useful and numerous to justify them being nearly required.

That's... still not passive? It's active. You have to actively talk to your teammates, and tell them the thing that you're seeing, before they get any benefit.

Anyway, SWF aren't as OP as you're making them out to be. They're stronger than SoloQ, yes, and can even make certain perk combinations OP, but survivors being on comms doesn't instantly make the game unplayably difficult for killer. I beat SWF teams all the time, and you do too, you just don't notice unless you lose.

They do not make changes based just on higher MMR. They more or less throw out the best 5% of players and worst 5% of players data, and then consider changes around the middle average casual players. The strongest 4-man groups & best killer players would be within that 5% range. From looking around at other games with mmr's these devs seem to be unique in balancing this way.

As far as limiting perks for survs they will not do that, they are committed to allowing players to run what they wish to. For a while now they seem to be focused on improving solo players ability to get info & try to coordinate like those on comms. Like the teased icon changes likely coming soon.

I think you are judt salty, because you expect every game to be 4k and not getting it handed to you. Guess what. 2k is actually balanced outcome. It means nobody really won the game. Both teams did good and got half the desired outcome. If you can only setlle for 4k, go play single player games. PvP games need to have balance to them.

With your mentality it would take 0 time before you start to complain why any regression perk exists should you start to play survivor. Also I would guess you play killer instead of survivor, because killer is much easier to play when you pick up the game. The way you brush off 39% escape rate talks a lot about you.

Also it's survivors who are leaving the game now so your killers are leaving threads crashes hard with incentives and queue time and escape rate reality.