Winning without tunneling at high MMR is near impossible

Right, but the odds of you or anyone on this forum playing at that level are incredibly slim. I've said it before: I played killer and survivor in comp for years. I've yet to encounter anything in a normal match that even approached the game speed or coordination of competitive play. You are not encountering this in a regular queue.

Yes, SWF is when things get extra bad because people can co-ordinate bringing all the items for a single purpose. That was rather the point. Sometimes it's much worse than what's already a pretty weird mathematical baseline.

I'd just take the entire issue with a grain of salt. You win some, you lose some. Done and done.

Yes, and when a good, co-ordinated SWF can complete all the gens in three minutes if they want (BNP and commodious toolboxes x4, hyperfocus, prove thyself, etc.) at the very extreme end of what's possible with efficiency, it means the game has a lot of wiggle room with gen efficiency. You need a lot more co-ordination to pull something like that off en masse, but a single player can still do part of it in solo, and you don't need any SWF or voice chat to get to the regular scenario you said didn't happen every time.

It takes 450s of gen progress total for Survivors to get out. If you want 12-hook games to be the norm, then that means at least 8 hooks before that gen progress accumulates (because otherwise we're talking 4E being normal). Which means for every 56s of accumulate gen progress, the Killer needs a hook. Or, for every 19s three Survivors are free to do gens, a hook.

Holding W after being hit is 15s before an M1 Killer can down someone again. 40s a chase including pickup and hook time. So, if you get 8 hooks, the one person who is always free (1 in chase, 1 hooked, 1 unhooking) stacks up 320s. But if the other 2 non-chased Survivors only get in 10s of gen time during all this, that's 160s total. 480s, more than enough. No toolboxes, no long chases, no self-unhooking or heals, no considering three people on gens right at the start, no instaheals etc.

Which is where tunnelling and regression-heavy perks come into it and cause the game to comically seesaw between rapid escapes and utter overkill because the Survivor side has collapsed and doesn't even reach that inefficient level.

But that's pretty much the point in a nutshell: if you want one side to be playing a game where they need to do 8 mini-objectives before the pressure eases up (no tunnelling ever), it won't happen in a game where they need to pull this one off roughly every 30s and can spend 8s of every chase in animation cooldowns (on-hit cooldown x2 + pickup animation); assuming 20s chases constantly is the whole starstruck nurse thing everybody wanted gone.

Killer prestige has nothing to do with MMR (and colour rank isn't MMR, rank is just a reflection of the amount of time you play). We can't see our MMR.

Those last four words are the problem, though.

i factored that extra time into a formula in another post. the current game is about 2.5 to 7 minutes in a bell curve or something like that. with 5 minutes being the sweet spot. which for some is too short. but that's before we factor in mistakes, distances traveled, and perks. these should be considered irrelevant to the base gameplay in my opinion since these variables should be relatively similar and utilized as a constant rather than a variable to begin with. or at least as a balancing point. and mistakes are in my opinion the exception and not the norm.

i honestly don't have an overal opinion either way. i play your game and enjoy it for what it is, but to say games aren't a little bit fast is just ignoring the raw numbers.

obviously games shouldn't be taking 15-30 minutes to complete. there isn't nearly enough content in a trial for that nonsense.

however, if matches are being completed in sub 5 minutes then it depends on how the game's artistic mechanic approach is meant to be represented and if it's not intentional then... perhaps some countermeasures are required.

again - this is just me commenting on what i assume are facts. i very well and likely may be mislead or ignorant of something.

-"Everyone will reach a point where you plateau while playing the way you would typically play..... This is exactly how MMR systems work. "

If we look at the Elo system for chess you do not have people in tournaments with 1600 Elo playing people with 2000 Elo. DBD says : whatever lol. I couldn't find a balanced match in time so here play this instead.

-"While I don't doubt that some folks here truly are playing in the high MMR range, the amount of people there are so low that it's a really bold claim to make when you can't even see your rating."

What do you consider high MMR? I would define any rating over 1600 as "high" because that is the cut off point where your rating ceases to matter. We know this is the line in the sand thanks to Choy.

If I am consistently playing people who win or place in comp DBD tournaments and their hour count is in multiples of 5000 then I can assume one of two things :

1. I am in the correct MMR bracket.
2. I am not in the correct bracket and the system is broken.

I cannot determine if the system is broken because you hide MMR from me.

Furthermore most people absolutely hate the MMR system. Let's look at some numbers.

MMR was introduced ~ September of 2021 right?

Look at what you did to the game.

MMR reduced the average player count on steam by roughly 20,000 players.