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Killer mains and tiers
question for fellow killer mains . How do yo play weaker killers and not run meta slowdown atm without just giving up on the game ? I’m literally only able to play either A tier killers or toxically lately and it’s making the game both boring and frustrated
Was on an about 18 game win streak. . Had a couple wins as pinhead and one as blight. A ton as spirit.
The moment I switch to a low tier killer (wraith) I literally can’t do anything. Three gens done with zero downs. I had a meta build of using eruption/call of brine/ overcharge/ deadlock. But one single survivor was looping well enough (and not amazing just well) I couldn’t do anything between his pallet camps and the Infinite body blocks from his team.
is there any point in playing killers besides blight nurse artist and spirit once you’ve gotten good? Is there any point in running other builds? I had one other single loss this week and it was me trying to not run the meta ######### and immediately survivors just curb stomped the match.
It’s at a point no killer I play besides spirit/blight has a chance unless I just camp/tunnel with the weaker killer with four slowdown perks and draw out the game with macro play
four matches in a row earlier this week as legion they popped 2-3 gens before second or third hook even though the chases were going incredibly easy.
i wanted to stop running this stupid slow down build but frankly there’s no point in trying to play without it and no point in playing any killer below A tier anymore. de ranking is boring and don’t want to risk a ban.
how do you guys deal with this? Just accept you’re probably going to lose if you play pig or trapper and hope they make mistakes?
game is just turning into camping simulator and spirit simulator
I just wanted to play one stupid wraith game and went from a 18 game winning streak to immediately losing three gens with zeros hooks and just rage quit and dced. Either the matchmaking doesn’t exist or more than half the games killers are garbage at higher mmr.
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Drop chase and ambush the survivors that are cranking out gens instead of overcommitting to one chase.
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It really depends on the killer.
- Wraith? Bodyblock, Lethal Pursuer, NTH, Sloppy, Nurse's (assuming no slowdown). Hit and run, catch them healing.
- Trapper? Play another killer.
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The big things with M1 or lower tier killers are going to be your basic mechanics and decision-making. Are you running every tile correctly and efficiently? Are you zoning survivors correctly before you break pallets? Are you following survivors in an exact straight line like an AI or are you zoning them with your pathing and cutting them off? Just some things to consider.
Another big aspect of M1 killers: some tiles on the map are completely safe, others are 50/50s, and some can be turned into 50/50s with your M1 killer mechanics. Your success is largely determined by how effective you are at generating 50/50 opportunities and converting them into hits. There are lots of ways to do it. Some are obvious and basic, others are more subtle and require you to be experienced at reading survivor behavior and predicting them. A good place to start is switching up whether you respect pallets or not throughout the match. Players often talk about respecting pallets as if it's some golden rule and a binary habit. Both work at different times. And often times you'll land a hit by respecting a pallet if you've already established that you hold W and charge through pallets against a player in that trial.
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I primarily play blight. But after a couple blight games I’ll work through the roster. I usually just play half chase, half regression and do fine. I also come in not expecting the game to go the same as when I play blight. I played a wraith game yesterday against a super toxic swf who all brought beams. It was a miserable game that ended with a 2k, but if I had blight, I would have 4k’d them pretty easily. It’s just the way it goes.
If needed, I’ll slug one and go start chase with another to build up pressure.
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Its very hard to pickup a new killer and do well when you are facing matches against experienced survivors, so what I do is:
Expect to lose.
The only skills that universally, mostly transfer between all speed tier same killers is M1 hits in chase, and tile movement. And even this isn't consistent due to things like DH, individual employment of such, and different visual appearance of each killer( Like, Sadako is short and twitchy, people often misjudge where your reach is at).
Pick a skill you want to work on and make sure to practice that skill. As an example I wanted to learn Blight. Blight has a lot of ######### going on. First I put on all regression perks(To take max time in a game), And I used his rush exclusively to traverse the map, and I went from gen to gen, all of them just M1ing people based on his mobility. I did this until I understood things you can bounce off of, things that make you slide and the range of a rush. When I tried to progress to the second stage of Blight, where I might rush hit survivors, I did it with a separate perk setup, and different rules. Again, IDGAF if I lose, actually its better to lose the matches so people don't waste your time with salt. For Wraith, his better players seem to body block me a lot, into tiny corners, and approach gens that I'm on from blind corners. Most of that would be tile and map knowledge, I guess, I can't be sure, I'm not working on Wraith, he makes me annoyed to play.
If you accept that learning to work with the killer's special will result in some losses, its easy to drop the gen regression perks, If you find a better set of practice perks, you will want to use those, because they support your learning. With the Blight example above slow down is good for me, I just want them stuck in the match so I can hit them, and rush.(I let them out at the end, cause they actually helped me, even if they have no idea they did).
You mention being good at Spirit, I am terrible at this killer, I want to be good as she looks so great, but I just can't play with headphones and inspite of running her over powered add-ons, I can barely hook a single player. So I had to accept that this killer just doesn't work for me.
Trappers that I play against do well on certain maps, strong M1 use, and being very smart with traps. I have no idea how to make that happen, I just know from experience to look down at choke points, avoid weeds, and slow down(exposing myself to M1 hits) whenever possible.
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I mean, an 18 game win streak really shouldn't be a thing. We should lose about 50% (40 if you agree with BHVR) of our games. I've got most of my killers at a point where I'll hit that percentage pretty reliably with two info perks and 1-2 slowdown perks.
With low tier killers, or killers you aren't good with yet, you may have to take a losing streak to get your MMR down to where you are playing against survivors that are worse than what you are used to with top tier killers.
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I'm not doing any of that,I just play with the killer I like and pyramid head is a m1 killer to skilled survivors, which doesn't make anyone unskilled but it's just a category to classify a certain type of performance so don't question yourself if you get hit with POTD
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Oddly enough I’ve had a ton of success on Pig. She’s absolutely low tier and many would even stick her in bottom 5, she does need a lot of changes. That said I think I’m at around a 50+ win streak so far with her and still going at high mmr.I don’t try to tunnel anyone out and I don’t even try for a 3 gen. The only gen regression I run is Jolt and even that’s not required as my first 30 wins of this streak didn’t even use a single regression. You get a ton of built in slow down from traps. I run double search slow down and pressure boxes and gens simultaneously. The boxes taking so long that making them let go to restart even once costs them a ton of time. Pressuring like this gets me at least 1 head pop every other game. The games without head pops you get a ton of free hooks/downs as people are so desperate to get the trap off that they make bad plays or literally can’t make plays when their team needs them at all. Jolt is the flex perk in my list that you can swap out, I run Corrupt, deadlock and stbfl as my others which I consider locked perks. STBFL is a star and makes swf trying to force body block hook trades impossible.
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I personally think playing a multitude or low tier killers is extremely hard as you become a jack of all trades, master of none. Unless you have like 6000 hours playing m1 killers then you never really learn which loops each particular m1 killer can outplay. I usually say if you want to learn a low tier killer then play 10-15 games on each map and don't play to win but play to see how each loop works with that 1 killer. You'll realise when you know which loops you can outplay with that killer, them being low tier matters a lot less.
I did this with Doc (sure he's probably as middle tier as you can get) and I tend to perform significantly better than I do with either Artist or Twin (which I'd argue are higher tier). I used to be scared of the game, now I love it as 90% of the loops are unsafe just high risk if you mess up timing. And I only run impossible skill check-esque builds.
TLDR practice one low tier killer for over a few hundred games with the outlook to learn loops and not win.
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the solutions are quite simple:
1 YOU DON'T
2 you play them with perks that will soften up their weaknesses and tunnel (YOU NEED to dispose of a survivor asap if you want to have some chances, otherwise you'll loose even to bad survivors who still press m1 on generators)
3 ignore the outcome of the match and play however you want
4 (optional) if you see that survivors are awfully bad (or generally speaking they aren't rushing gens; healing whenever they can, searching chests and doing totems in order to do points instead of ending the match as soon as possible) you can easily chill even with those killers
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it's sad that they didn't buffed properly my old main (trapper), giving him tools in order to keep up the pace that survivors have to accomplish their goals...
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playing only meta killers kinda ######### up your matchmaking, so youd have to back off for a bit to not get survivors that mush you into a paste
also, you just gotta get used to playing them, for me, it takes a phat minute to get the rhythm down, but if you're swappy between killers generally then im out of advice
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