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I was camping???
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Yep that's what camping is, I was camping, why do the Devs allow this?
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They probably saw you near the hook at the time of the save and shouted 'camping', but it is absolutely not
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You were proxy camping.
The entire map was your proxy.
Why you no stand in a corner and go AFK?
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I SAW the killer from the hook = I was camped.
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It's one of those cases where the POV matters.
You hooked and shortly after engaged in a very brief chase but dropped it almost immediately --- and the place you checked was hook. The second time I guess you intended to check the gen + hex --- but it also happened to be where the hook was and since that gen had no progress and the hex was still lit I doubt the survs knew either was there.
From the survivor POV it looked like "can't leave the hook for more than ~20 seconds, or else I gonna miss someone going for unhook." - The thing about camping is not just the being close to hook, it's the purpose of staying close to hook; ideally interrupting the unhook so it doesn't happen or making it at least a trade. Sadako, Dredge, Demo, Nurse and some others can camp from a distance. And ngl, while it's hard to tell at which intervals you went back to hook with the speed up, from a surv POV it does look like that was very much your intention all along.
I mean, what you consider camping/proxying is up to you. - Personally, I can see why survivors would accuse you of proxy-ing or playing not for chase but exchange. If you take that as an insult or just an accurate description of what you were doing is up to you.
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It's running at double speed, I was away from the hook 30 seconds and then 36 seconds. More than long enough for a swf on comms to rescue but they'd rather try to kobe and scream camper while her swf finished a gen 25 meters away in main.
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"More than long enough for a swf on comms to rescue" is an odd way to phrase it.
I mean, let's look at it.
---- Kate and Yui were on main-gen, Claud was kinda far away on a gen. By the time you interrupted main-gen it was around 80%. You push Kate off - she gets ready to run main judging by the direction she went after the vault. Kate was assuming she'd get chased. So no unhook for her. Claud is still rather far away and should not consider running all that way. So no unhook for her either. Yui has a highly progressed gen but she couldn't complete it while there's a chase at main. Unhook for Yui it is. --- But instead of chase you opt to walk to hook and check the area, blocking Yui from approaching the hook. You check the area, so even if Kate had made it back from the other side of main by then - and thus as close as Yui - she is also blocked from going for the unhook until you leave that area. - Which you do when you teleport away. One gen pops, you check a locker but at least I couldn't spot any auras. Another gen pops. You walk, then teleport back. Between you leaving the area of the hook (0:25) and teleporting back (0:35) are twenty seconds. You find Yui who just arrives for the unhook.
Now, Claud is out of the picture the entire time - too far away (and if she had left she would have run straight into you after your teleport, I think). So good call to stay on gen. The only thing Yui could have done to avoid running into you at the hook was to hover next to the pocket while you were checking the area and dash to the hook the second you teleported away. In the case of you staying in the area to proxy camp - which is an entirely reasonable thing to consider - it would have been wasted time to just stand there and watch the killer not leave. - That's what loses you matches against proxy-ing killers. So I assume she went back to the gen with Kate. So no, there was not "more than enough time".
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That being said; since there were no auras when you checked the locker (I couldn't see any at least) and you knew you couldn't interrupt anyone on a gen since both gens with progress just popped, the location you are sure to find a survivor is hook. So at the point of you teleporting back to hook that is the most reasonable thing to do.
Though, that situation, where the only place you knew survivors would show up is at hook, was entirely preventable, imo. You could have committed Kate on main, preventing the gen there from being finished while the chase lasts (Kate would potentially have downed, Yui would have gone to unhook Mikaela, Claud would have finished her gen). You could have teleported to the gen you knew Claud was on with BBQ (You would have interrupted Claud, potentially would have chased and downed her, Kate would have finished main, Yui would have unhooked). I don't know how cracked or not cracked a survivor Mikaela was and what happened after the unhook. - But realistically, to not lose from a makro perspective you would have had to go for Mikaela straight off hook since Yui was still full health when the unhook was completed. It was always a question of how many out of three; two gens and a hookstage. You ended up with zero out of three; both gens popped "on time" and you didn't get another hookstage. Had you gone for Kate it would have been another hook stage and one delayed gen. If you had gone for Claud it would have been a hookstage and one delayed gen. If you had purposefully camped / secured a stage it would have been a hookstage (Mikaela's).
----- Sorry for the text wall. But smh I ended up really wanting to think it through. Not that I think more than a handful of players do that during the match (I certainly don't) - there's way too much else going on to think about these things and make the right call on the spot. But I think it's always interesting to see why certain things turn out the way they do.
And just for the record, I'm not blaming you or assuming proxy-ing Mikaela was your intention all along - or you should have deliberately stayed away instead of teleporting back for the sake of not proxy-ing / being a back-to-hook-Andy. But I can see why the survivors in the match would see it differently.
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"You should have deliberately stayed away."
Er... no. They left the hook, went across the entire map, checking for survivors. Every effort was made not to camp. But when you fail to find survivors, you have to go to survivors objectives to find them. A hooked survivor is one of them.
30 seconds is a long time for no progress to occur, and a big risk for generators to be completed. 30 seconds before returning to the hook is one of the most reasonable 'non camping' scenarios I've ever seen.
The idea that 'proxy camping' now includes scouring the entire map before returning to the hook is bizarre.
Maybe survivors should deliberately avoid generators?
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you missed the "not" there. - Granted, "assuming" is probably the wrong verb "not [...] assuming [...] you should have deliberately stayed away" doesn't sound too good. So for clarity's sake: I am neither blaming them, nor am I assuming proxy-ing was their intention all along, nor do I think they should deliberately have stayed away at the point where they decided to return the second time.
And I'm pretty sure it's clear from what I wrote that I agree; if you don't know where to find a survivor after leaving hook the only place you will find them is at hook. I'm just saying that the situation where they couldn't find any survivor could have been avoided.
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