the saloon icon
why was the icon changed from a rope to a bottle
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Because a noose can have implications of suicide which is a topic that can be very triggering to some people
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so a game where killers are brutally murdering survivors we have to tone it down?????
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It's just an image change
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Because hanging people on a meat hook while bring chased by a fictional doctor with magical electricity powers is something that is totally a common issue in real life, whereas people unaliving with a noose is a very rare occurance.
It's not an issue for the devs to change something out of compassion. The exact same thing happened with Legion's Blighted Skin, when the knife was renamed to separation blade (previously, suicide blade). You should try it sometime.
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Do you really need a noose on an Icon enjoy this game?
Or, which is more likely, do you really need to complain for the sake of complaining?
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Yet they haven't removed the hanged guy on the map's gallows. An icon was worse than an actual in-game model? Weird logic. Rather sounds like lazy politically correct pandering attempt to me. Just like with the Bubba's masks.
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I don't necessarily disagree with the point you're making here but this is such a minor change that I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Like yeah, it's a horror game with some pretty dark themes, so do I think changing it is a bit unnecessary? Yes. That being said, I don't think anybody is gonna be up-in-arms about a map icon change and if it helps some people enjoy the game, I'm for that.
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The icon was changed because it could make people think of dark thoughts, like suicide.
What does the icon correspond to?
Oh, the map where you can see a man hanging next to a generator.
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You didn’t read Peanits comment I cited, huh?
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Something like that, yes.
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god people still care about the saloon map offering icon change? i thought y'all got over it, i guess not 🤨 some of y'all really feel the need to complain to complain, huh
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That's weird. Idk if it's platform specific but I'm on xbox and I still have the noose icon for my dead dawg offerings.
Also personally don't see the issue with them changing it. There are more important things to worry about than the imagery being changed.
Anyone genuinely against changing it from to avoid suicide trigger warnings is pretty sad imo.
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It’s from the PTB. It’ll be changing when the patch drops.
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Ooooh right. Lol idk why it even needs to go to ptb 🤣
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It's the implication that the game is being watered down for a certain demographic that should probably be focusing on their mental health over playing a dark and graphic game rather than an image change. If the reason is to prevent suicidal thoughts their message likely won't reach the intended people aside from forum regulars if they are silent about the reason outside of the forums. If they are silent it was honestly a pointless change.
Personally - I like the new icon but having experienced the topic pretty severely on both spectrums being going through it personally and losing a friend to it. I'm going to hope that during the update they give a subtle nudge towards help sites if that's their reason. Call me skeptical but it just seems like the change is more censorship due to differing policies in another country. If they leave a footnote in the update mentioning why the icon change and nudge those who need it toward help sites or even the help site Peanits mentioned I'll buy it. Silently changing the icon though just feels like sweeping the now named topic under the rug.
To clarify - I have no issue atm. I would definitely take issue if this is more of a silent change.
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OK my thoughts 🤐
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I'm guessing it's more to address potential racism issues rather than suicide stuff, it's the same when they changed McCree's spray in Overwatch.
It's really not a big deal and anyone throwing a fit over changing an offering icon are just snowflakes.
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The change seems pointless to me because Hangman's Trick still has a noose icon, pig still has the "Amanda's Secret" add-on and The Artist, in her lore, she attempts to jump off a bridge but then she gets saved by entity crows and in the end she was only saved so the entity could turn her into a killer. So when you think about it the dusty noose offering was never an anomaly in this game so it just makes me wonder if they are going to go on a retcon spree or if it's something they are just going to avoid including in the game in the future. I think this is where a lot of people don't understand the change.
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Nothing is political about this? Don’t let your ignorance show.
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It doesn't bother me that they changed it. Maybe they should get rid of 'taking a chance' since it has the same implications.
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Nyarrr...frrr...(other non committal noises) - yeah I have no horse in this race. I've struggled with depression and had a family member die to suicide via a rope and it would never have occurred to me that simply showing the icon of a historical noose was so deeply problematic.
On one hand, my initial take was that they removed it due to...another connotation, and I'd just got done trying to explain to a group of students online that a film director with the last name starting with 'L' and rhyming with 'pinch' is not an example of any sort of systemic issue in the USA.
On the other hand, the slippery slope isn't always a fallacy, and if you start sanding off the rough edges of your horror game because they might offend/upset/make someone uncomfortable - sooner or later you'll have nothing left. I mean, as others have pointed out - you're going to have to change a lot of stuff if you want to go down this road.
But yeah, this is a storm in a teacup and as long as it starts and ends here, I don't care.
Because on one hand it's quite petty, but on the other - well, now you sort of have to keep removing and changing things because that's the precedent you've established.
I guess I'm just something of a purist, and once you start changing things because they might be offensive or upsetting to someone, you never stop.
I mean off the top of my head I've seen:
- Complaints about spider charms worrying arachnophobes.
- Complaints about Plague's puking bothering emetophobes.
- Lots of 'cultural appropriation' stuff, especially around Trickster, Artist and Spirit.
- Tapp, Jonah and a few other survivors being problematic because...uhh, police and I'm ending that thought right there.
I'm sure I can think of plenty more.
It's that icon from FFXIV again. It doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, but it's still a bit eye-rolly.
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Your own imagination of what will happen next that won't happen is amusing. All they did was change an icon. Relax. Breathe.
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Shrug.
The word of the day is 'precedent'.
Also...huh, your name sounds familiar. Not sure why.
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Ah! So you're one of those people, who still can't get over the removal of the masks and brings it up at any possible time and outright refuses to have empathy for those targeted and instead blames them and not the perpetrators for it's removal. Got it.
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I only remember approximately 4 things that can even count as this kind of "precedent" you talk about.
Bubba's Claudette mask, Meg's cornrow hair description, Legion's "suicide blade" and now Saloon's map icon.
I cannot possibly understand how changing these 4 things is remotely arguable or even massive and the game's functioning fine without them. Plus, I have yet to even find one of these scenarios that happened to be any sort of importance as they're all minor changes that don't take that much time to fix, and are changes that make people happier and comfier to play the game🙂. If there's ever a change that's a big deal that's actually worth caring about (not an offering icon) you can let us know!
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Well. Yes. 4 things is definitely enough for precedent. There are a few more, but they've already been argued to death.
- Removing those masks was patently ridiculous. There was absolutely nothing about them even close to 'blackface' or 'yellowface' that wasn't a massively bad faith logic stretch. I remember asking Mrs. Lost if maybe I just wasn't seeing it (she's north-African) and she got pretty annoyed - because she interpreted the change as the killer going out of their way to only wear white faces, which implies that there's something wrong with other races. Yeah, that one bugs me.
- Meg's cornrow hair is probably the most obnoxious of the ones you listed, because 'cultural appropriation' is a fringe theory and even then, one that people have massively expanded out past it's initial intention. The person who coined it has gone on the record as saying they regret even mentioning it, because it was never intended to be used to attack people for the pettiest faux-pas or even just enjoying music and fashion from other cultures. Was it removed though?
- Legion's 'suicide' weapon. Yeah, that's silly but I don't care much about it as - in the right light - you could make an argument that it makes the game easier to stream.
- This one...eh. BHVR say it's a self harm thing, but that's not where my mind goes on this one. Once again - I don't really care.
I cannot possibly understand how changing these 4 things is remotely arguable or even massive and the game's functioning fine without them.
The latter two changes are a nontroversy. I don't care.
The first two changes...it comes down to people self-censoring and changing their artistic vision in order to be as inoffensive as possible, leading to very bland art.
I have yet to even find one of these scenarios that happened to be any sort of importance
This is a videogame. None of this is important. It's all just a distraction, something to pass the time between cradle and grave. But it was clearly important enough for you to respond to.
they're all minor changes that don't take that much time to fix, and are changes that make people happier and comfier to play the game
Do they? Which people, exactly? Because, again this was a nontroversy to me and the handful of asian/black folks that I've asked directly about this are more annoyed that the masks were removed.
You can have empathy for someone who is treated poorly while still being frustrated at deliberately uncharitable takes like Meg's hairstyle being offensive, weird discourse like Tapp, Trickster or Jonah being problematic or the Bubba masks being yoinked, which could be interpreted in a very different way.
I don't think anyone's not over it, but yeah, it's still something that I think a lot of folks disagree with, me included.
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Anyone know if they changed Hangman's Trick?
Genuinely curious if they are consistent about this
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I'm honestly not even sure. I have even heard hangman's trick been mentioned in ages. That perk is pretty useless so I don't blame anyone for not picking up changes on it lol
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I ask because it's icon is identical to the saloon offering
It's somebody tying a noose basically and I want to know if they are consistent with their logic of changing the saloon offering due to the nature of the object displayed and such
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I can confirm Hangman's trick remains unchanged
Talk about Lazy
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Its just...such a weird change. It remind me of those 'beach body' ads in the UK being banned because 'the model is too thin and that might make eating disorders something something'.
Like...oh man, if we're going down this road things are about to get very, very silly.
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"Because, again this was a nontroversy to me and the handful of asian/black folks that I've asked directly about this are more annoyed that the masks were removed."
And, I've seen many Asian/Black folks also say they're glad it's removed. Why do the people you've interacted to hold more value over the people bothered? Not everyone has to be bothered by something for it to be an issue. The fact that you're even arguing this is ridiculous.
"Meg's cornrow hair is probably the most obnoxious of the ones you listed, because 'cultural appropriation' is a fringe theory and even then, one that people have massively expanded out past it's initial intention"
Wrong one. I was talking the scenario about the description change - I do not think her hairstyle was changed and have 0 idea what person you're even talking about tbf, even if it's the same person regardless it was such a minor description change it's hardly even worth mentioning further. Cultural appropriation isn't something I care about to argue with a DBD forum anyways, as most people who play this game probably don't even know how to turn their oven on, so I doubt any conversation on that topic would be remotely intelligible or beneficial.
"I remember asking Mrs. Lost if maybe I just wasn't seeing it (she's north-African) and she got pretty annoyed - because she interpreted the change as the killer going out of their way to only wear white faces, which implies that there's something wrong with other races. Yeah, that one bugs me."
Cool. 2 people don't speak for everyone, unfortunately. Pretty sure DBD passed the threshold of 2 players many, many years ago, but thanks for your own and her input.
"The latter two changes are a nontroversy. I don't care."
To speak your own words back to you: "But it was clearly important enough for you to respond to." Shame you don't care yet still talk. Bark bark.
"The first two changes...it comes down to people self-censoring and changing their artistic vision in order to be as inoffensive as possible, leading to very bland art."
The Bubba masks deserved to go. No weaseling your way out of it. Stop.
And the Meg hairstyle was a description change. The majority of players wouldn't have even noticed, and the people who it was important to it was changed for. It's honestly pretty obnoxious to watch you white knight over a description of one of Meg's worst looking hairpiece cosmetics just because you want its "artistic vision" to be preserved. Dear God. For someone who doesn't give a #########, you clearly seem to give a #########. Good lord and good riddance.
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