Wow Thanks for the Nurse Nerf Bhvr. She went from S++ to S+

i know, that was just my though about her.

i mean it's not like they ever had any intent of making nurse obsolete. a nerf to her is still a nerf, hopefully that means less nurse players i guess

Obviously. Nurse cannot be nerfed because the result would either be that she is still too strong (like it happened two times now) or too weak (which should also not be the goal). Making her M1s be special attacks and nerfing her best Add Ons is surely a step in the right direction, but a stacking Slowdown-Nurse is equally as bad, because she is still breaking the game with her power. And strong Perk Combinations which are good on any Killer (except if they require a lot of M1s) will always be stronger on Nurse. So unless BHVR plans to nerf every Slowdown-Perk AND make every Perk, which is not triggered by an M1-Attack really weak, making her M1s cound as special attacks will be a right step, but too little too late. And I cannot really see them to balance every strong Perk in a way that Nurse cannot use it.

And this is sad. Instead BHVR spends time to release 4 chapters each year instead of slowing down on that side, which gives us forgettable Killers like The Knight or Sadako. They really should go to 3 Chapters each year and take their time to work on other things like Perk Nerfs and Buffs, general gameplay improvements and balance changes (which would include balancing the Nurse to a fun and strong Killer, but not in its current broken state).

Sure, she will be played less. Some players really relied too much on her broken Add Ons (e.g. a Streamer I know (know, not watch) was a Nurse Main, 13k hours and said that they wont play the Nurse ever again and only for donations... That person was using her with all the strongest Perks and Add Ons all the time). And others will just not play with her, because they think she got "ruined". So we will have a few weeks with less Nurse-players, but once people realize that she is fine and still very strong, we will be back to square one.

If OP had tried going against the nerfed Nurse in the PTB, OP could have complained about it earlier but chose to wait till the PTB changes were live to do so.

Going against a Nurse may be difficult because of how different she is from other Killers but it’s not impossible. The skill ceiling to do so is much higher because it requires for the Survivor to actively predict the movement of the Nurse and react accordingly rather than the usual camping at a tile and react to the red stain.

Yes, stacked Slowdowns are a problem on any Killer. But Nurse multiplies the issue. There is a huge difference between Perks on a weaker Killer like Trapper or Myers and Perks on strong Killers like Nurse or Blight.

And I feel that it will be impossible to somewhat properly balance the game as long as there is such a big difference between the Killers. Sure, you will never reach a point where a Trapper is on the same Powerlevel as Nurse, but it makes it harder to balance Perks that Killers exist, which are stronger than most other Killers.

(Otzdarva said in a recent video that if every Killer is at max at the Level of Wesker when it comes to strength (or around the level of Wesker) that it would be really good. And I would agree on that)

Which is exactly why they need to have perk categories that limit how many types of perks you can bring from one category. It should be two max. You can add second chance perks to this rule too if it stops killers from crying. No more DS, Off The Record, Dead Hard, Unbreakable stacking either. I think the game would be more fun for everyone if it had more of a skill element and less of a reliance on who brings the most broken build.

I dont really know about Perk Categories, because I think it will be hard to categorize Perks. Like, I would not cound DH a second chance-Perk, while others would do that. And even IF we have categories, some Perks would just be way stronger than others, so you would still see the same Perks all the time and probably even less variety (lets say, Killers are limited to 2 Aura-Perks. I play 3 on my Nurse (BBQ, Lethal Pursuer, Floods or Rage). Neither of them is problematic, but one of them would be removed completely, which means I might use a Slowdown-Perk, which lowers the variety overall).

I think there should be point systems. That a character can only take a certain number of Perk Points and each Perk has a specific number of Points. So lets say, 16 points for Survivors, the most Points on a Perk are 5 points. So you can either run 3 5 Point-Perks and have to run a weak 1 Point-Perk in your 4th slot, or you can go for 4 4 Point-Perks (or something in between).

For Killers, the points can differ, e.g. strong Killers like Nurse or Blight get less than 16 points, weak Killers like Trapper or Clown get more than 16 points. So that Nurse players cannot play 4 of the strongest Perks, but Trapper players are easily able to do so.

(Obviously, all numbers are just examples)

However, the problem here would be that BHVR would need to define point limits (which might be the easier job), but also would need to give Perks points (which is very hard I would guess).

Isn't this a bit harsh? They nerfed her. They finally nerfed Nurse, which means they are no longer ignoring the issue. If she's still too powerful they will probably nerf her again but the patch hasn't even been out for a day and already people complain.

Depending on their killer MMR (which I would guess is baseline) it will be a few matches against new players that could be 4k 5gen without blinking.

Dead Hard

nuff said

If we balanced killers like survivors currently, we'd be buffing nurse because bad nurses cant keep up with good nurses who are also using third party wallhacks 😉

Might I ask why nurse has to be nerfed when every other killer is an equally good target for buffs? Its quite sad to see this community be so ... Unawarely survivor biased.

yeah, but i've been saying the same thing about spirit and hillbilly for years. blight, space bubba, onryu, 🤷🏻‍♂️ it's not going away any time soon.