where is the buff for soloQ killer vs sfw?

In short, SoloQ got "buffed" precisely so BHVR can balance the game around those SWF you are complaining without hurting too much SoloQ, as now the gap between the two is shorter.

This was exactly what Overwatch 1 did, where if you were in a premade group then the matchmaker would inflate their rating so they were matched with and against players of a higher MMR to compensate for the increased coordination.

Teams that just want to chill as friends would play against similar minded players once they play some games and the MMR balances out, so it’s not like they will be forever playing sweaty matches if they aren’t escaping every game.

Chill, my man. - The SoloQ QoL is not even a week old. It takes a while for statistically significant changes to show.

The order is as follows: Buff SoloQ until the differences between match outcomes in SWF and SoloQ are not statistically significant anymore. Wait until match outcomes have stabilised [aka a) everyone has gotten used to the changes b) if people were "at the wrong MMR" they are now in the one corresponding to their escapes/kills] for a good while. See if the statistics of these new match outcomes push the killrate below what is desired. If so, buff killer.

Atm we're at the very first part of the sentence "Buff SoloQ". If SoloQ has been brought up to SWF in terms of match outcomes (while swf will always have more info/the potential for more coordination swf also tend to be way more altruistic and/or distracted if it's a casual swf that just wants to have a good time and doesn't care much about escaping or being sacrificed) is something we will have to see. If killrates will stabilise at a lower rate overall is something we will also have to see. - This takes time. A few weeks at the very least, probably rather two or three months.

My man, that is how statistics work. You collect X amount of data over Y time to have a sufficient degree of reliability. This may or may not overlap with your personal, anecdotal experience playing a role.

Killer = camping tunneling slugging nolifer. Because all killers can do is camp and tunnel and try to make the game as much not a fun as possible.

See? Both sides can do that. Is that productive? Not a bit. Does it make any sense? No it doesn't.

The problem with SWF isn't even really SWF, it's when you get a sweaty team in a situation where you haven't come prepared to play a sweaty game, effectively being caught with your pants down resulting in getting absolutely destroyed. If I'm playing nurse with good perks and cross paths with one of these squads, then I'm not upset at all, it's actually good that im getting opponents that match my intensity. In contrast it can feel pretty bad to be playing ghostie with goofy perks and to get insulted after a bad game.

Sweaty teams though are very far from the majority of SWFs, so nerfing SWFs would just hurt ordinary people who aren't sweating.

Honestly I don't mind bully teams, they're just kind of goofy and they're almost always throwing games to have a giggle. It's honestly fun for me? BHVR even removed locker flashlight saves which was a great change to make maps less exploitable. That's just my personal experience tho, they're really rare too, if they were more common I might dislike them more.

Well supposedly it’s simultaneously “bringing solo closer to swf level” but also “not expected to have any significant effect on survival rates”. So it’s simultaneously a significant buff and not significant buff at the same time. Contradictions much? Doesn’t leave me too hopeful on getting those corresponding killer buffs to bring them closer to swf levels.

The devs said for ~4 years : SWF does not affect escape rates. Then they realzied that it does and allows SWF to escape up to 15% more often.

They wanted a 50/50 kill rate and suddenly decided that now we need ~60% kill rates.

-"you cant balance around swfs. You dont know how strong they are together."

And refusing to touch them drives killers away. SWF needs a limitation to make it not be the strongest thing in the game that is necessary to win but also comes with zero drawbacks.

The way you balance SWFs is to raise soloQ on a similar level, which is what they currently are trying to do. I've heard people say things like "give SWFs less gen progression -x%" which is just stupid imo. This way you would be punished for playing with friends. Or if you play with strangers where you dont have voicechat, you would be punished for no justified reason. There is however other things the Devs can work on to lower the potential of SWFs. One thing i meantioned in another post is that Eruption or DMS with SHPR can be called out. Those strong meta perks get countered by voice-com, which definetly shouldnt be the case. You could also argue that survivors getting Kindred at base would make it more even to SWFs. However i feel like seeing the Auras at all times takes a bit of the immersion away that DBD has. So i feel like they shouldnt do that one.

Good players who win more games are greatly assisted by voice coms.

Imagine the following experiment:

Look at the last major DBD tournament that had a close final. We take the top four teams and randomize the players. In short we take one person from each team and make four new teams. We randomly select one of those four teams and they get to use voice coms. The rest of the teams do not get to use voice coms.

Since every team has very good players the team that has voice coms (all things being equal) is likely to win compared to all the other teams that are forced to play "solo".

Talking enhances the ability of a good player and makes them great because they have extra information they did not pay for with a perk.

So let's think about what you've said just now. Nerfing SWF would be punishing those SWF players.

But buffing solo queue to put everyone on the level of SWF is punishing the killer. If no one wants to be punished for playing in a SWF - then why would anyone want to be punished for playing killer? The Killer role is already heavily punished because you are playing against four people. A mistake that makes a chase 20 seconds longer will cost you 60 seconds against the other three survivors as each had 20 seconds extra to do whatever they wanted.

Remember that Killer has always been the less desirable role to play. What are you going to do if nobody wants to play killer anymore because everyone plays like a super sweaty SWF?

-"The point is - comms of course give advantage"

It's so nice we are making progress.

-"it's funny you say killers are less desirable. I see almost always incentives on survivor side"

That does not seem to be the majority of players after the last hud update. If it is for you then you should enjoy the easy xp.

The only time I notice a survivor incentive is when there are not many SWF teams online so many surviovr mains dip their feet into the pool and play killer. This happens daily early in the morning and sometimes early in the afternoon.

Did you actually read what you wrote? You are generalizating all survivors who just play together to automatically be the toxic ######### who are definitely a minority. I have over 5.7k hrs and play both sides, so YES, the REAL bully squads are a small minority.

Saying all swf are bully squads is just not only unfair but it also results in a devil's spiral. People who are actually playing very fairly may come to the conclusion that it makes no sense to be fair if all say you are not. It's like saying all killers camp and tunnel. If you say it often enough it will become reality one day.

And saying that "all they do is gen rush, and that's boring" to justify the "bully squad" statement is just unjustified. What else should survivors do in your opinion than doing gens (which is their objective)? Chests? Totems? Dancing? Running to you and being potato so you can get ez hooks?

Do you actually know what bully squads are? They make every second of your match the living hell. They want to trigger you and make you mad. They Tbag at every opportunity, they are highly coordinated, often double flashy safe, did the doublelocker head on/blind tech when it was still possible, they Sabo in your face and everything else you can and can't imagine. Sometimes they are very good players on top of that, but more often they are not (they just watched too many of those bully videos on YouTube).

How do you beat them? By not getting triggered. That is what they want. I managed it multiple times to "play dumb" but got 3k in the end because they became overconfident. Nothing was more funny than them trying a CJ tech which resulted in 3 downs in total. They were truly mad in chat because they "lost again a noob". It was hilarious.

So yeah, THAT is a bully squad, and not just those normal everyday player who just want to play with their friends without bad intentions.

-"But equipping broken killer or broken addons give much better advantage then comms. "

-"Playing against blight with double speed is much different from C33+alch ring."

A good SWF is extremely hard to beat unless you play Blight/Nurse on quite a few of the maps in DBD. That's messed up. You're not wrong that Blight and Nurse have the strongest kits. Nurse just had a rework and lost most of her best toys. Her range addon is now the rarest tier of addon so it won't be something you can use often.

Blight needs a massive nerf AND so does SWF. Losing one game to a SWF bully squad often turns killers into hardcore tunnelers. So why not remove the ability to bully? No character/item/perk/offering repeats would do exactly that.

I could rattle off how we nerf Blight but that would make for a long post. Trust me I want all the broken things removed.

-"I hear bloodlust is also getting a pretty big buff."

Unless the change is something like : keep bloodlust until you hit someone it probably won't matter. In other words if they changed it so that dropping chase and breaking the pallet didn't make you lose bloodlust that would be significant.

One of the only things I liked about VHS is that the killer (monster) got rewarded for every single hit.

The problem with blanket buffs is that anything you give Trapper will also affect Blight unless you specifically go back and buff Trapper. Is Trapper getting a complete overhaul? He's not so it won't matter. There is an extremely easy fix for all the "non movment" killers : you make them move at 120% speed base kit. Poof! Now Pig and Trapper are a threat because you can't greed pallets.