M1 Killers Have Nothing Left

lol I have not even gotten around to running eruption yet.

Eruption only really took off in the last few months. What did you do before then? There are many M1 killers that need some sort of rework, no doubt, but Eruption isn't the answer. Especially since we've known for several months that perk shake-ups are going to be the norm now.

Daddy still has tp.

Fair enough. Map balance absolutely is a problem too. I’d love for killers like Pig, Trapper, Myers, and Sadako to get looked at, but map design is definitely one of the biggest issues in the game right now and the worst part is it hasn’t gotten much better recently. Yeah, Eyrie is a bit better now, but we’ve still had several bad maps released over the last couple of years. Original RPD, original Eyrie, Garden of Joy, and now Shattered Square. Personally I’m at a point now where I don’t want new maps anymore until existing problematic maps are improved.

they got pain res and jolt. that is pretty much new meta after eruption is changed. they are remaining instant regression perks to apply max regression instead of current progression. I am expecting pain res and Jolt to receive current progression in mid-chapter patch. They're clearly the best option available to killer and judging from dev tweat, this is likely their next target in the incoming mid-chapter.

So for months people complain about eruption and how overpowered it is. ok, devs are changing that, and now everyone is complaining about the nerf.

And how often are 5 perfectly matched players going to play together? Almost never.

Also, that's not even true. Take 5 300 hour players. The Killer plays facecamping Bubba with good perks, the Survivors lose EVERY time. Clearly, there's nuance here, it's not as black and white as you'd like

It will still be useful.

If you have to rely solely on perks to have a good match, perhaps ask yourself what can you do or learn to be a better killer or suggest an improvement for the killer you play.

For months, I was seeing posts about the perk being "overpowered". Devs listened and now "oh but why are you nerfing the only good perk"

Pop and RuinDying were both gutted in the same update, and there was a solid chunk of time between 6.1.0 and when Eruption found it's place as a true meta staple (before that, it was just OverBrine seeing play). Considering that during this chunk of time is when Hyperfocus rush builds we're at their peak and yet people were still capable of winning with M1 killers, I don't think the death of eruption is the death of every single M1 killer ever.

However, they'll now have individual good regression and slowdown perks on them rather than just being able to slap on Eruption and call it a day.

For example, Sadako will be able to get a lot of milage out of Jolt due to a lower terror radius and her ability to use Sloppy effectively, whereas Doc would probably be better with the PR/DMS combo because DMS works really well with his Static Blast. Meanwhile any killer that needs time to set up would be running Corrupt instead.

The only universally good slowdown on every single killer after this nerf is Deadlock, and I'm fine with that. Each character should have a collection of perks that they're good with, but in order to encourage build variety and just to make sure it isn't the same perk on every single killer, there shouldn't be one outlier that's just too overbearingly good.

Sure bud ) Because you don't care, don't own the perk and haven't played in a year, you're so pressed about the perk's incoming changes, so much so that you even calculated how many seconds 10% regress will be.

I have never used eruption on Mikey and do just fine without it.

Honestly I would rather get no kills than win because I had it. Odds are the only reason I would have got value from it is because poor solo players had no idea when a team mate was going to go down.

Who aside from bots fails the oppresion skillcheck, like actually people fail that?

It doesn't need to be a super good regression perk but it's better than nothing. I mean good players will usually slam gens even with full regression builds anyways.

And to be fair I'm not a sweatlord who cares about winning every match. Just 1 regression maybe besides Jolt allows me to be flexible with my 3 other perks.

No, I am just a confident killer. It's my preferred role, but try again ig.

Two things:

A) I didn't say I didn't use any regression. I said I didn't run gen kick perks because I don't kick gens.

B) I don't know my mmr, you don't know your mmr, and you probably, yourself, are not high mmr.

Now I know I'm not really a great - and certainly not high MMR - M1 killer, which might make everything I say meaningless to some people, but I figure I'd put in my two cents.

The most I ever use of generator regressing or slowdown perks is one, maybe two, at the same time in any given build. And honestly, the only occurrence that comes to mind where I used more than one was when I was trying to make Freddy's wool shirt and dress addons work. Overcharge and Oppression weren't used so much for actually generator regression in those cases, but more so just to try to make people actually miss a skill check to make those addons of Freddy's actually do something. Because rarely - if ever - does anyone miss a normal skill check in Dead by Daylight, unless it happens to be one of those occurrences where you decide to leave a generator and the game decides to give you a skill check at that exact moment, ultimately forcing a failed skill check on you. And considering Freddy doesn't have a terror radius for survivors in the Dream World, most perks that make skill checks more difficult are almost completely useless on him. So not only do you have to bank on the hope that an Overcharge or Oppression skill check will actually do its job, but also hope that said survivor is in the Dream World at the time to get the full utilization. Hard to make work, ultimately.

But I'm getting off topic. The point is that I prefer running perk builds that make me as the killer more threatening as opposed to stalling or hindering survivors. I realize that in a 4v1, actively hindering all four survivors at once with certain perks is probably more effective than being more effective in chase against a singular survivor at any given time in the match. But I just prefer this playstyle more, personally. I want to play as a killer chasing people down like a crazed lunatic, not a guy with a weapon who spends more time kicking generators than actually using it on people. But that's a personal preference thing.

Again, I don't claim to know what top tier gameplay against insane survivors is like, so take this with a grain of salt, but that being said...

My experience with running more aggressive perks (or just information perks) rather than stalling or defensive perks is quite polarized from match to match. It's either a massacre where I end up getting a lot of hooks/kills or it's the exact opposite where I only get a couple hooks in the entire match. You either win pretty decisively or you get an admittedly embarrassing outcome that makes you wonder, "Geez, what did I do wrong this game?"

But I'm honestly okay with this. Regardless of whether it's a win or a loss for me, the match goes pretty quickly. And I think we've all had one of those games that stretches out forever - either as a survivor or killer - that makes you lose the enjoyment and drive to actually win, instead at that point just wanting it to be over.

Do I have games where I do Huntress-tier growling at everything seeming to go wrong facing survivors? Of course. But I'd prefer that temporary frustration if it means my games can be more intense, more action-packed, more with the feel that I'm an unhinged maniac swinging sharp and pointy things at people as opposed to someone who really hates generators and will drop everything to ensure they keep regressing.

So from both an entertainment level perspective and one that's focused on performance, I feel like perk builds that don't lean so heavily on generator stalling are both just more fun and also wholly possible to win with. It's just a mixed bag whether you manage an aggressive win or lose horribly. Are there still games where the outcome is more in between? Absolutely. And that's great, too, in my mind.

I personally think it might be less a matter of, "M1 killers can't win without certain perks," and more a matter of, "M1 killers can't win every game without certain perks," which I believe is a very important distinction.

But those are just my thoughts on the matter. What do you guys think?

Yeah but m1's have little to no map pressure. Just ask any person who tries to play oni in and competitive scene. Its literal hell until he gets hit power to keep a blood snowball going. Now sure not everyone goes against super sweaty comp teams but even a somewhat coordinated team will still crush m1's.

This. Plus, they could buff M1 killers if necessary. They can't leave a perk as broken as Eruption in the game because it made them feel better to play.