General Discussions
General Discussions
Why Cant The Killer See The Hook Count For A Survivor?
No, I mean, think about it.
You can see the Entity Progression of a hooked Survivor, meaning you know when to return back to the hook and Camp to confirm a Hook State/Kill, yet BHVR never removes it because "it encourages camping".
You can see the Bleedout Progression of a Survivor in the Dying State, meaning you can basically just Slug a Survivor to death if you know they are already close to dying from Bleedout Progression.
Yet BHVR makes this odd case where seeing the Hook Count for individual Survivors will encourage Tunneling when it really doesnt. If a Killer is going to tunnel a Survivor out of the game, 99.9% of the time they are counting the Hook Stages anyways, it's not like it will magically change things to have an individual Hook Count for Survivors.
And again, there are other systems and information that Killers have that just encourage other "distasteful" strategies anyways, Im not sure why BHVR makes a special case for Tunneling (or ignores other systems). For me personally, it just makes it more difficult to space out hooks between Survivors so half the time I just accidently get a Survivor out of the match when I dont want to.
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Because BHVR is a silly goose sometimes!
There's no (good) reason why killers shouldn't get that information and plenty of good reasons why they should (with my personal favorite being that I try to let all 4 survivors go if multiple BPS is in play or if they do something big to impress me and it would be nice to know who I can and can't hook anymore).
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it's to "prevent tunneling" but if a killer is tunneling then they can just count to 3. I really hope they just let killers see hook stages
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Yeah it would be nice to have the hook count. Would prevent people using exact same outfits to bamboozle you.
And I personally would use it to actively avoid tunneling people. Couple of times I've intended to let a surv go and accidentally sacrificed them because they had one more hook than I thought 🥲
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It's also annoying if their teammates leave them on hook, they reach second Hook Stage, and I hook them again only to realize they are dead. Happens so often and I feel bad every time.
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Good point actually. It's not a super big deal but there is no reason why the killer shouldn't see the hook stages. Usually I try to go for 12 hooks or at least not kill anyone before the 7th hook but this means I need to count hook stages and well... Sometimes I mess that up. Would be easier to count to 3 instead.
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Ever since survivors gained the ability to see hook stages, I and a lot of other people have said that killers should get that info, too. And every time it comes up someone argues "but tunneling," which makes absolutely no sense with how tunneling works. A hook stage counter would be helpful for killers who want to spread the love and it would have absolutely no effect whatsoever with a killer who focuses on one survivor and never takes their eyes off them until they're dead.
As killer, it's so easy to lose track of hooks, or for a survivor to reach second state on their first hook without you noticing. I try to pay attention, but I've missed that plenty of times. (When I play survivor, a ridiculous number of teammates save me the millisecond I reach second state. How is a killer even supposed to know that? If a killer is off busy chasing a different survivor the way so many players want, then they're not going to notice the second hook state score event.)
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i love when u run into a full swf wearing the same gear. u know u in for some $hit lol
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This! Happens sooo often. And as people have said already: if the killer wants to tunnel, they don't need a hook counter to remind them, they will just tunnel. An actual hook stage counter would more help the nice and fair crowd then the other way around. But I guess its the same as with the shroud items, who are both in the wrong bloodwebs with how the game changed over the years: a relic of the past, yet unmoving.
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Shroud items should stay where they are for sanity, though. Yellow rarity ideal surv start? Only one offering slot for Killers after all.
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Why can't survivors see gens auras? It you answer that question you figure out the answer to your question as well
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Yh had that yesterday. Set of 3 aces all with the same suit and flash lights. They were all insane chase jockeys and were running prove. I was using my demo farming build. Had a cheryl load in who wasn't part of the team.
Set my bbq to lightborn, didn't engage with any long chases and repeatedly ambushed them. Facecamped 2 of them out of the game for a 2k 🤣 don't think the game went as they planned lol.
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Funny you say that seeing how survivors do see the amount of gens that still need to be done, which would be the equivallent.
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Not preventing, more like limiting.
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"You can see the Entity Progression of a hooked Survivor, meaning you know when to return back to the hook and Camp to confirm a Hook State/Kill, yet BHVR never removes it because "it encourages camping".
You can see the Bleedout Progression of a Survivor in the Dying State, meaning you can basically just Slug a Survivor to death if you know they are already close to dying from Bleedout Progression."
They should remove those things too
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Then it doesn't work if every killer knows exactly who to tunnel
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See and this is were the big misconception is coming from. The word tunneling has become so vague that in some peoples mind it just boils down to removing a survivor from the game at any point.
Tunneling is strictly going after one person. If there is any doubt in the killers mind about who to go after then they weren't tunneling
If a killer needs a hook state view to see who's on deadhook then they weren't tunneling. Cause for actual tunnelers there is only one option
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Why can't survivors see their teammates' builds in the pregame lobby? Why do killers and survivors get to see survivors' prestige level? Both lead to lobby dodging, yet one is far less beneficial than the other.
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They say it's to avoid tunneling and yet tunneling still happens all the time.
I mean there have been times where I've wanted to just two-hook survivors and let them go but end up killing someone because I didn't realise they were on death hook already.
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Not at all related to the topic, though nice try.
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...killers can already know what hook state you're on though by just keeping track, they know how many times they hooked you and they get a score event when you go to stage 2.
you really didn't think that one through did you? completely unrelated to the topic, nice try though
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I guess they want to encourage tunneling, because anyone who is trying to tunnel already knows the survivor is about to die, but anyone actively avoiding tunneling might have forgotten how many hook states that person has, having been busy with the other survivors and all.
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Now your comment would make sense if I actually said what you're saying. The thing is i only said that the killer knows who to tunnel regardless of not being able to see hook states
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Cuz survivors unable to keep track themselves and need UI ? They dum dum /s
Seriozs answer: "killers could use it to tunnel". They folded because of a buzzword.
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My bad, i read your comment the wrong way.
Still stand bit what i said, just was wrong to direct it to you
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as people said to you, a killer that tunnel won't care in the slightest about those info because he already know his target (it's easy: just remember the 1st guy that you hooked and you are fine, doesn't matter the number of hooks since the killer will chase ONLY that survivor in order to confirm a kill asap)
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honestly, good question. i have ######### for brains memory and when a survivor dies on hook when i didn't mean for them to because i couldn't remember what stage they were on, it honestly kinda blows. either bhvr fixes my memory or they add the hook counter, whichever one's easier for them. i'm waiting
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At least you can use perks to do that. Killer cannot use perks to keep track of the amount of hooks. Huge difference.
(Also, Generator Auras would increase Generator/Objective Efficiency... Seeing the Hook States of Survivors would only benefit people that are actively not playing for Objective Efficiency.)
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discussions are ouroboros.
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Killers are smarter than survivors, they can remember the hooks.
Good killers don't even think of surv names, for them they're just numbers (1-4).
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thats bhvr answer to that...but basically if i want to tunnel someone i got eyes and can usually see which survivor (not much matches run 4x same chars and costumes)
but maybe bhvr should think the other way around... i normally try to hook everyone twice and sometimes i just cant remember if i already got that char on hook once or twice.
and with the improvements to survivor hud it should be logical and fair to let us killers see the hook count...
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funny how taking away that info does more to help tunnelling instead
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Had a match yesterday where someone quit on hook early (again) and i decided to take it easy, get my challenge, 2 hook everyone and let them go
Sadly there were 2 megs and i have the memory of a goldfish so i sacrificed one on accident. I felt so bad
There is zero reason to not being able to see them
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You know, BHVR NEVER want killers/survivors to have fun together, they needs suffering and want to breed more and more toxicity between community.
That's why they don't give killers hook stage, killers are NOT ALLOWED to have a tool to make survivors alive, you MUST accidentally kill one or two even if you try to and get the hatred from those survivors!
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