I think I'm bad at both roles.

If you want to get better, try and find out where your shortcomings lie. For example you could be great at positioning and decision making as a survivor but bad in chase. Once you know, you can try and practise these things. Take a chase and run a tile you don't feel comfortable of. Also, play both sides. As a killer you will see how other survivors play around different structures and as a survivor you will notice how other killers mindgame and prioritize.

Don't worry about the game feeling hard on both sides. I'm pretty much in the same boat. DBD is a hard game in general. Just focus on having fun. Eventually you'll get better.

Bro, when I just came to DbD, it was owerwhelming (even back then when life were simplier and not so many perks). But later it all come to some CRUCIAL points that you missing, fixing them would improve you greatly.

Small example: after getting my 100th sacrifice I still couldn't get how it is possible to get survivor without bulldozing all pallets and in some loops. I started investigating and found.... ta-dam! Lounge attack! Didn't know about it before, but after that things got a lot easier.

And there were many stages when I was struggling, and after certain personal "level up" progress went further.

Basic "level-ups" for the killer, that improved my perfomance drastically:

• Gens almost always more important than surivors. Denying certain gens and hitting everyone gives much more pressure than even downing one, go hook him and then start another chase. Gen could be done at the same time, because:
• Always remember: if you don't bother survivor, he would most likely do gen. It's a law and you always keep that in mind. Learn to macroplay. That goes with next statement:
• Your MAIN objective is denying survivors of their objective. Hooking and killing them is somewhat "byproduct" of your main objective. Hitting all 4 instead of downing one? Great, they will go heal instead of DOING GENS. You downed one, but see another one, go after him, third one will have to safe first one INSTEAD of DOING GENS. Etc.
• Before recent patch, I would recommend to do all killers adepts, because I don't know better "training mode" to understand killer and how to harass survivors with him. But now they butchered the challenge (you need just kill all 4 no matter how). Nevertheless you could set this challenge for yourself: get at least 9 hooks, prolong match more than 10 minutes, chase everyone, don't allow majority of gens be done in the first minutes and not allow escape through exit gates.
• Do not camp and tunnel (see statement 2). It will stunlock your skill on easy wins early on, but leave completely helpless against decent teams. If they win, well, gg, what of it. But you can retrospect the match and see what you did wrong and what you could do.
• Just some things that come from experience: predict survivor movements, shortcut their paths in chase, get familliar with maps, know loops and simple mindgames (for example, how and when hide red stain in shack and what direction choose), zone survivors, etc. Good survivors could influence the match on macro, but in chase you are set the rules.
• Watch some streamers on YT and their gameplay. Can get some ideas from them.
• Most important thing: enjoy. Everyone escape? GG. What did you lose? Nothing. Killer role is the most fun and where you always play (comparing to either sit with holding M1 or dangling from a hook whole match). Don't play like salty sweatlord that cling to a single kill and render other players like archnemesis that crapped on your door and killed you hamster. You win? Let last surivor go. Or gift him hard achievement (like "Left for dead" or "Outbreak breakout"). You won't believe how many kind words you will see in endgame chat.

Well, as for survivor...... I'm still struggling with it. Don't know how to improve anymore, you are really dependant on your team and killer playstyle. Most of the times you literally can't do anything. What I aquired yet:

• first hit the most "problematic" gens. Gens on open areas, gens that close to each other, etc.
• detect what killer you get and what playstyle he use. If he is camper/tunneler, nothing much you can do, unless the first target is god-looper.
• do not chase around hooked survivor, also find a way to be annoying to draw attention from hook (like impudently doing gen near hooked survivor)
• unfortunately, cannot use many perk builds if you don't want to die fast, survivor is hugely perk dependant. I think it is personal job to sift through perks and found ones that crucial for you. But one thing is for certain: Kindred is a MUST HAVE! Hands down. Helps not only you, but your team as well. My go to build is Kindred + CoH + SB + WoO/Distortion/Fogwise

But really I don't know what more to say about survivors, it is very frustrating and boring experience. Maybe I'm missing some crucial thing, but didnt find it yet (I'm 2K hours)

To get good at solo queue take off exhaustion perks. Don't get accustomed to the crutch. Focus on getting better at looping, timing, and map awareness.

Going for the saves you think you can't get away from are the ones you should go for. They teach you how to get better. You can't be afraid of not escaping when trying to get better at the game.

I am also bad at both! I'm not even sure why -- I think it's a combo of slow reflexes, not playing first-person games very often, and the fact that I'd rather die than try to memorize the tiles. I'm a decent support player on a team, but you don't want me in chase.

You need to step outside your comfort zone. Don't go into games worrying about escaping or killing. Go into the games with the sole intention of gaining experience and building confidence. The rest will come naturally once you've achieved those.

I think a person with both arms broken might play better as survivor than I do, and I'm not a much better killer, so I feel you !

I do have a lot of fun though, especially playing killer as I've found the legendary low skill niche where I can get a 4k with little trouble, but since I am a friendly killer at heart, I often let some of the survivors go and therefore cement my place in this niche. If none of the survs want a friendly game I'll generally 3 or 4k, but if a couple of them look fun or seem to want to just play around I'm very quick to turn off the killing machine and just meme with them.

I'm lucky though that most of the people I encounter as killer are super well mannered ! =)

It's a familiar feeling. Killer is 0 to 100 as far as matchmaking goes. Early games are so easy you'll ramp your mmr up extremely fast and start playing sweat squads.

Survivor is just difficult in general, you need to be extremely good to really give a killer trouble unless you have a very strong swf backing you up.

Low mmr surv and high mmr killer are both very hard to deal with. For killer my advice is focus on one or two that fit your playstyle and get good with them. Maybe one with antiloop or good stealth skills to help you in chase.

Surv, maybe watch youtube tutorials on looping and chase running. It's a hard roll to play well, also find a decent swf to play with. Makes the experience more enjoyable and team mates on comms will always be more useful than a randumb who is either useless or so high strung that they DC the second they see a misplay or get downed.