SWF's need a nerf

it should only be allowed to start a party with 4 people, so there are no more 2 and 3 man swf, then an action d buff for the team, or solo q people get an action buff (make gens faster, heal faster) but in addition, ofc killers also get a buff like the last "killer patch" no matter what bhvr does, survivor become weaker and killer stronger, so in the end only solo q will do a lot of damage and at some point bhvr could beat it up so much that people let it go I would say that the number of experienced players in the solo q has dropped a lot since the MMR was changed and at the latest when the killer buffed were made, many switched to the swf

the strongest and easiest role in dbd has always been swf but since bhvr did everything that nobody in the community likes example MMR change: no killer wants to compete with hes cute 500h against a swf that averages 5-6k+ hrs and gets completely destroyed, a Experienced player with 10k hrs doesn't want to play solo q with hundreds of hours of players against an 5k hrs Nurse or Blight with a 500 win streak, ofc they prefers to play swf to have a chance and must killer got destroyed and many other unfun and unfair thinigs in dbd, then everything turns and turns no ending no sulotion keep your ears shut, eyes closed, "i hear nothing and i see nothing" but at some point the volcano erupts and bhvr burns itself

Well...

You could refuse to play against them?

Consider that they normally don't log in as 4 players to farm blood points, and that implies they are after something else, and it likely has to do with the killer.

If you don't want to do that thing, just ignore them.

If the game play experience is not fun for you, just don't engage them.

I do this when someone wants to boil over second floor Ormand. Its just not worth the effort to entertain them when this is the game they want to play.

You're pointing out a matchmaking issue though. No, a 500 hr killer shouldn't be going against a 10k-20k hr SWF. That's a mismatch, not a balance issue. I play in one of those SWFs a lot. You'd be surprised at what killers can accomplish. No, you're going to go in and compete at 1k hrs with a nice guy playstyle. Nor should that be expected. But a hard tunneling Pinky Finger Clown with 3k hrs and 3 or 4 slowdowns will give us a hard time, for example. If sweatlords are matched up against equally skilled sweatlords, the results are often balanced.

You only want 4-man groups possible? More than half of all survs are in at least a two-man, which is far and away the vast majority of SWF types. Threes and especially fours are way less common. This change would ensure the game dies as half of the survs stop playing.

Agreed. Have perks setup in groups based on what they do then have them weighted accordingly. A four perk loadout has a max number of points that can be used. Using more than one of the same type/category invokes a penalty that uses more of the max allowable points.

So if you wanted to use multiple high-value perks or multiple perks in the same category you can, but you'd wind up having to 3-perk the trial.

Kill rates at high MMR are higher than at low MMR.

I absolutely love that Killer Mains think they face these competitive 4 man SWFs constantly when the fact is, they are probably facing them very rarely.

I think it is also laughable that they think anybody on coms are calling out plays like they are part of an elite squad. When my mate and I are playing together, we are usually talking about our day or what we are having for dinner.

DBD was never meant to be a competitive game, and if you don’t get a 4k, it doesn’t mean you faced a 4 person SWF. Just move on and go next. It isn’t that deep.

No because no one would play them and the game would die. At least that's what everyone says. I'm still trying to figure out if the game is made up of mostly solo or swf because it's constantly been Saif they both make up the majority of the playerbase and doing anything ro hurt either will kill the game

Psst. There's blight, nurse and spirit in game. Even 4man SWF don't stand much chance if these killers want to just win (and take their best stuff for that purpose)

I wouldn't say closed the gap but definitely shortened it.

Imo if you threw some version of kindred on for solo they would have about 90% the info swf have.

So killers should only play those 3 killers with the best stuff just incase because remember you can't change your killer once you've qd up

If we are going to be that way, then what they should do is simply put voicecomms in game like any other squad-based PVP game out there. Of course, for that to happen BHVR needs to be willing to spend some of that DLC and cosmetic money in "voice chat" server processing, which I doubt.

This thread got banished.

But, the point was the addition of the hud was a buff across the board to all survivors. Weather its utilized by people who have grown accustomed to playing without the info or not isn't relevant. The hud will be used by the next generator of survivors in groups. It simply makes everything easier, cleaner and faster. Pretending like it doesn't do this is, dishonest at best.

The fact that veteran players claim to ignore free info in clean huds is more a comment on how broken the game becomes when people play with chat assist.

But, yes, specifically to your case, we do log in and put in BPS as a group. We can do this because it is possible to relax, play, and not have to be hyper competitive to beat most killers, point wise.

As a balancing issue consider that people that play in a competitive fashion don't want to win their easy matches. They want to have a pathway to victory in the hardest matches. The perception around this is that the killer starts at a disadvantage against determined and practiced SWF groups.

Leaving the game as it is is annoying for all, and results in many secondary complaints that stem from the above issue/perception. Should it be changed via direct nerf to grouped players? Likely no. Should it be addressed in some way. Of course it should. Should all discussion be banished to some obscure sub forum? No it should not.

A better rule would be : No perk/character/item/offering repeats.

It would be a very simple rule to prevent Bullying in DBD.

They will never put this rule into the game because "it would not feel fun" for survivors.

Who cares about fair play? The most important thing is to make sure the killer is the survivor's play thing.

Because is a bad idea, why would you punish people to play with their friends and limit what they use?

In that case, allow survivors to chose the killer to play against

Play with 8 perks lmao

You know that SFW are not common as SoloQ, right? And again, if you want limit survivors like that, then let survivors chose which killer to play against

And he again conveniently ignored giving survivors option who to play against.

Because it's good when killer is in advantage (like seeing items in lobby), but there needs to be a change when survivors have advantage (4x as many offerings to pick map).