Circle of Healing either needs a total rework or a complete gutting

This will then involve gigantic buffs to every single boon then, correct?

Because as it is, COH is the only boon that exists, basically, all of the other boons are forgettable, Dark Theory basically never happened and the devs clearly abandoned Boons after only a few chapters.

I mean, that would indirectly hurt other Boon perks, because then stacking COH with other boon perks (due to how BHVR set things up) would be a bad idea. If your COH is destroyed, you lose all of your perks.

Honestly, it's better to go with the "optional permanent destroy" basekit ability, since then every boon can be buffed and they're no longer forgettable + failed new mechanic.

Pentimento is a very special kind of re-lighting where it more so takes up a slot where a totem was. It's not really a re-lighting perk, more of a hex perk that activates through broken totems. Not quite the same as boons.

And... okay, so it would be programmed where if a Survivor brings multiple boons, and places them, and then the Killer snuffs the totem... COH is deactivated and rebooning a totem won't apply COH?

Honestly, if we're going to do that, I would rather just buff and nerf boons. Not just make them basically removed from the game, because then that would make it too risky to run. We'd lose another perk that can compete with meta perks, meaning more DHs.

And I know all about hexes, I'm not a new player. That's why I think that boons should be adjusted so that they're high risk, high reward, like hexes. As it is now, they're low/mediocre reward for low risk. Which makes them forgettable.

Um... I did read.

"And... okay, so it would be programmed where if a Survivor brings multiple boons, and places them, and then the Killer snuffs the totem... COH is deactivated and rebooning a totem won't apply COH?"

I wrote this in response to you. We are saying the same thing now.

I was confirming how it would work in practice.

BNP also isn't a problem. People have done the math in videos iirc, BNP is less efficient than either normal toolboxes or just bringing toolboxes with basic add-ons. DH isn't either, people have posted clips of Onis eating several DHs and still winning.

What other "crazy strong survivor options" exist btw, that might confirm for me whether you want OP things nerfed or just don't want to deal with new things that make you think differently or adjust your build slightly, like 90% of the DBD community.

Shattered Hope should be basekit.

There are 5 totems in the match which means survivors can rekindle their boons at least 5 times through the match. Killers can't rekindle their hexes at all and can have their hexes either cleansed or blessed upon.

There's no need to explain how killers being alone against 4 need their every perk dedicated to something and have at least some benefit of using each. If killer dedicates one slot to shattered hope and survivors bring no boons at all then it's one perk being thrown out from the very start. This is clearly not an ok thing.

Survivors can decide in chat lobby who's gonna bring boons and stuff. This should prevent them from having two players with boons in the game. Still, even then they can have 2 separate totems blessed. There are plenty of options how this can be worked out.

It should be optional basekit, but then boons need to be buffed accordingly, because then you would NEVER see any other boons besides COH, because nothing else is worth dealing with the risk of dumb teammates getting every totem broken in solo queue.

Are you saying you're struggling with Exponential? Which is easy to counter the moment you know someone has it?

"Most of the time it is already a COH being brought into the game."

Yes, because every other boon is not worth a perk slot.

And if you have an M1 Killer who should be getting wounds, consider running Sloppy. Amazing perk overall and makes COH users begin to spend note-worthy amounts of time off of gens. Or... idk, doing anything with your build to counter it instead of running 4 gen regression perks.

Like, if you're struggling so much to deal with COH (when there are some strategies to mitigate COH effectiveness or still get your objectives done with COH present and giving value), simply adjust your perks or add-ons (depending on your current Killer) to give an edge.

"I shouldn't HAVE to switch my build-"

Yeah, well, you don't HAVE to be on the forums trying to justify not wanting to take even small steps to make things easier for you, or ignoring advice on how to deal with COH, but here you and plenty of others are.

And if you haven't heard that advice, I can give you it. COH is difficult if you're actually dealing with competent Survivors and you're most likely going to lose multiple gens (you would still lose since they'd bring medkits instead), it seems like plenty of low MMR players who bring COH seem to fail at using it effectively... or at all.

Nope, you struggle.

"Sometimes there's another boon brought too ( the Unbreakable One ) and when both are used together slugging stops being an option as well."

IDK, maybe don't slug then? That's the point of this perk, to stop slugging. If you're struggling against it, it's because you don't want to stop slugging. You don't want to change how you do things.

Also, fun and casual involves "anything goes" and being willing to take losses. If fun and casual means winning or making big progress, then that means you define fun as winning. Which is a pretty consistent issue I've noticed with the DBD community.

"Killer role was barely any fun before boon introduction,"

Sounds like you're burnt out and need to take a break.

Well, I didn't say I keep slugging people when there's Unbreakable Boon involved in the game. I said that once it becomes clear that it is in the game ( provided it is certainly the boon and not the Unbreakable Perk ) slugging stops being an option. Slugging can be a good way to apply extra pressure when there are other survivors nearby but when there's this boon involved slugging loses it's value entirely. Some M1 killers certainly take a blow as they can't snowball that well anymore.

In my opinion fun is when both sides feel like their actions are making an impact. In this game, survivors certainly get their fun by escaping or outplaying the killer, where's for killer the fun can be the thrill of the chase and sacrificing the survivors. Unfortunately like in many competitive games, one side's fun comes at the expense of another and people tend to forget that there are some live people with feelings and emotions sitting in front of computer on the other side of the planet. It can quickly turn into toxic and personal thing when one side gets it's fun denied one way or another.

As for playing Killer - I barely play as Survivor because I know how unfair and aggressive can survivor players be to their peers. I also play for rifts and tomes mostly - there's no reason to play this game for long sessions as it will quickly lead to burnouts.

To me the interesting thing is how hard they nerfed Self Care, and not CoH which is much more annoying, and it's stronger. Especially if you play a hit and run killer.

I’ve also seen footage of people beating Eruption killers on YouTube, we should probably revert the nerf as it clearly wasn’t a problem because I saw Otzdarva win a game against it!

I hardly see dark theory being used in matches bro.. mabye a couple times for those with adept yoichi or just memeing with it will full boon build but I've never seen anyone outside of adept yoichi bring dark theory by itself

You can remove both COH (this thread practically removes it - because it's already by far nor as good as these thread make it sound - time wise - because everyone just conveniently forgets looking for totem, moving to range, having free dull totem, booning time, interuptions which regress whole process, etc) and DH. But then disable gen kicking altogether (with all associated perks to it). One of the main reason these perks are required is the obnoxious ability for killer to make every match last so long, that there are literally just windows on the map.

Ah. So remove all the remaining things on survivor side, but keep all the obnoxious things on killer side. Ok I get it now

by official stats - 61% kill rate in higher MMR. Nerfing few strong remaining things will just mean you have to buff survivors. They are already weaker role.

So given your example - take last dollar from a poor one and give it to the richer person

Call of brine should have it's gen regression part removed...

I've said the same myself. It's really just the easy self-healing that is the problem. I'm fine with CoH buffing healing speeds, that's a strong effect for its limitations, but the self-healing is too much. Either use a medkit or get a teammate or run Self-Care. CoH is pretty much already "Self-Care+".

Dark Theory doesn't exist. Exponential is easy to counter (It's called "pick up the Survivor") Shadow Step is only good with perks.

Am I looking at an actual example of someone who "mains" a role in this game (in this case, Killer), and is super biased as a result?

I mean, I guess it's fair that you wouldn't know what Dark Theory is, that perk never took off so I wouldn't expect an unironic "Killer main" to remember what it is, but...

And you're also yet another person who uses the word "boons" when they really mean COH, because no other boon has nearly the same effect.

Boons overwhelmingly would need buffs after Shattered Hope becomes basekit and that's final.

Nah, it's really not, you'd be better off running Inner Healing (or something) or running another meta perk in that case. It'd be as weak as the other boons AKA not worth running.

And unironically suggesting Self-Care... so, you want Survivors to basically throw...? Because Self-Care is a thrower perk and a newbie trap.

Want me to show you my 95% trophy completion pre-Onryo on console DBD?

And I stopped at Onyro... because I moved to PC. Which I am currently working on now. P3 for every character in the game + all achievements unlocked.

If removing the self-heal makes CoH worthless in your eyes then that's fine by me, I still think it'd be pretty good and I'm even willing to buff CoH's healing speeds in exchange for dropping the self-heal mechanic so that it would still be worth running to the Boon to heal teammates. But I repeat: if you want to heal yourself, either use a medkit or Self-Care. (Or Inner Healing, I do like Inner Healing.) I'm even perfectly fine with CoH applying to both of those in exchange, so you can run CoH and Self-Care to make it functional. Yes, that's using two perk slots for one thing, and that's fine because healing yourself quickly without the help of teammates is really powerful. That's why medkits are the best item in the game, but at least those run out eventually. CoH is basically a team-wide unlimited medkit, and that's a load of crap.