Thoughts on Mid-Chapter changes?

Where can i see the new patch notes?

Yeah, they feel rushed. Like most of them just feel like hot fixes or reaction fixes. For an update they were hyping up so much, i was really disappointed.

Idk if much will change, bhvr is very picky on what changes go from PTB to live, so expect most stuff to go live, maybe with a few adjustments on 2 or 3 things.

The nerf to healing is too much, base altruistic should not be nerfed that hard considering it already takes 2x 16s from survivors just to heal one person. The medkits and CoH had it coming, though, so I'm not complaining about them, except for the fact that now taking rare medkits is straight up useless. They buffed altruistic healing speeds, which... If you're taking a medkit, it's probably to heal yourself ? When no one is around ? So not on random teammates ?

From survivor point of view, I think it's too much, from Hag enjoyer point of view I was really satisfied until I saw how they nerfed her. Very stinky of them. They better give her a treat soon in compensation for this straight up nerf.

DH I couldn't care less about, never used it.

Gearhead is nice, I guess? Same with Overzealous, except that since now booning is practically useless I don't see that interaction come up often. I might go back to playing Shadowstep for a bit. I wonder how they choose these perks to buff, it feels a bit random.

Don't play Hillbilly, but it feels stinky too that they nerfed snipes after they took Sky Billy from us. Are Billys not supposed to have fun ?

Autohaven reworks I'm enthusiastic about. I have these maps with all I have and I hope they'll feel better after the rework.

Good changes. Base 24sec healing is probably too much. Billy engraving nerf unneccesary.

Yh it would have been better if tunneling and camping got nerfed at the same time. But atleast one important step to a better game is done. Three gen strat got nerfed and hit-and-run buffed, thats good.

It was also good that flashlight dont interact with specific killer anymore. Sure, nurse buff is not good, but with or without lightburn is a nerf for her neccesary.

I feel this is one of the updates where BHVR had the absolute best intentions but there's a few things I don't agree with.

The removal of burning killers should stay as it gives survivors something else to do other than be chased or repair generators. It also provides rare teamwork moments. I feel it should just be added to more killers because again - it gives survivors something to do and sometimes yes you'll have a rogue survivor follow you while you're in chase but they're not doing objectives. Flashlights eventually run out of juice and if they're doing it too much adjust charges don't remove an interaction.

Regarding Hag specifically she's just a problematic killer who should get a rework. The fact that flashlight interaction is being removed with traps yet a new mechanic was created specifically to destroy traps is silly. Especially now that you have to crouch walk over to a trap. You may have infinite times you can do this now but it takes forever to approach a trap without Urban Evasion and that's the issue with Hag - Her kit when she is doing well promotes camping and prolonging the game because setup outside of the web of traps she makes is not only discouraged but punished. Hag should be reworked and also her traps should be destroyed in hook proximity if a survivor is hooked just to be inline with other killers. No one is going to enjoy having to crouch walk across a web of traps to unhook someone and go through a cycle of hook trading.

Circle of healing should allow self care and not stack with items because that's what was making it over the top is working with items. Now it's useless if you don't have an item on you.

Hillbilly should only get buffs - I'd love to see a single person argue that Billy is common enough to warrant an engraving nerf. Yeah there are some cracked Billy players out there but it's so rare to consistently get good chainsaw downs with him. If a Billy main came in here and provided proof I'll retract this part but I would be surprised if anyone agreed with it.

I do see the rest of the changes to be good for the most part.

Mostly fine, glad lightburn isn't a thing anymore. And I'm glad that coh and dead hard are finally getting nerfed. Nerfing hillbilly for no reason is kind of annoying, if overheat is a "non-factor" than just remove it. If it doesn't do anything there's no point of it being there right? And the engravings didn't need to be nerfed, his add-ons are bad enough as is. The pain-res changes were overkill imo, and the gearhead buff doesn't really do very much to make the perk better.

I don't have much to say on the healing changes, I guess it encourages gen rushing but I don't really care. And I think it's a bit silly that all the gen kicking perks are getting changes but gen go fast perks aren't. But survivors have to deal with a bunch of nerfs already coming to them this update so I think it's fine that gen go fast perks are unchanged for now I guess.

Here are my thoughts and I predicted this and it looks like without any changes to thier choices I was right.

They are Nerfing more regression perks (now not as bad as I was thinking) but never touched any Gen Speed perks. This means in the long run Killers will have a harder time applying and keeping pressure on Gens if they are not a mobility Killer.

I have mixed feelings on the healing changes too....making medkits a standard across-the-board will make them less annoying to deal with but on the other hand less likely to have a fellow Survivor use their medkits to heal a injured Survivor vs just basic healing.

I'm ... intrested

The changes are so drastic that I'm not even going to try to predict how things will go

There is one thing i know though. We wanted a meta change and these changes will 100% create a meta change

Many people complained DbD was going stale and this update changes that. Both sides will have to seek new perks to use and find a meta and i can't deny i'm kinda excitted for that. It is going to be a different DbD which is what we asked for.

If it's too much we can always turn it back a little. I'm more a fan of more extreme changes and dialing it back then barrely changing anything and feeling like you're not making progress. Altruistic healing should probably be buffed but i want to see how it works without it first.

Some changes are just a hard no, Billy's engravings did not need a nerf. Hell if anything whatever the number they are nerfing it with should go to basekit.

Hag changes are good cause it finally kills trap under hook hag that solo q struggled so hard with. She is going to need compenstation buffs in the future though

Also pls buff self care. Even if the numbers are going to be the same as they are now. Don't make it take a minute to heal with it pls

Light burn removal: 👍

Healing/medkit/COH nerfs: 👍

CoB/Overcharg/Pain Rea nerfs: 🫳

Map changes: 🫳

Dead Hard nerf: 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

Anyone here good at math?

I've got a great question about self-care lmao

survivor role is dead

by daylight

I've always thought the fix for hag was to make it where her traps didn't trigger while crouching AND walking over them. Only running trips them. I think that could add some interesting counterplay that doesn't feel oppressive (and I like and play Hag just so you know).

That's fair with CoH - I just view it along many other perks that share a similar issue is some perks make items over the top and then the other way around. I feel the best way to balance them is to remove certain interactions. A perk should be good at one thing and not worry about other factors affecting it's balance. My mindset with that comes from BVHR's decision to nerf Enduring to only affect pallets so they could fine tune stun duration of perks. Also with how they reworked old Tinkerer. Inventory and perks interacting has just consistently caused issues in the past when that item or perk wasn't tailored for that specific purpose. Although I suppose if this is now a perk that focuses entirely on items it does go inline with that thought process but I admit I don't want a perk to become useless but we'll see how it turns out.

I feel the Billy changes are meant to make him more accessible and nerf more skilled Billy players but ultimately I just feel the heat mechanic should be toned down. I use to play a lot of Billy prior to his changes and I remember with each change they made to him he progressively became more clunky. I remember when they changed his FOV and animations before the rework and he felt awful to play. I haven't really touched him since the rework because the changes were very strict. That was my thought process though on Billy - He's still very easy to cancel or prevent the saw from doing anything - I just feel nerfing him is unnecessary because all you really need to do is pre drop a pallet and force him to break. You don't need to do that to every pallet but he's a very basic killer to counter even with his deadly power.

I'll just say it to be upfront - I hate Hag, I hate everything about her kit and I feel her kit shows the absolute worst decisions BHVR has made with a killer. A typical Hag will get run the entire game to where it's boring and a good Hag will prolong the game and kill off survivors quick when ever they approach her web. I do want her to be viable but this change to her isn't going to help the inexperienced Hag players to become better it will just encourage them to camp even more making the experience versus her more miserable. I want to see her encouraged and even rewarded for leaving her web and setting up around the map. I'm all for her getting more range but I really feel like her traps need to be destroyed around a hooked survivor. This change with flashlights will just make it more miserable to play against her with experienced players on both sides and make things more difficult for newer players because the crouch walk speed is slow and it will take forever to just approach a trap to disarm. On your way to the basement if that's a scenario it's likely going to be annoying trying to clear them off stairs because items on sloped surfaces in this game tend to have funky interactions.

That's awesome that you main Billy - I used to main Trapper a long time ago and before I finally shifted to the killers I play now I played Billy pretty consistently for a bit. Just wish he'd get some proper changes instead of BHVR being "too cautious" with one of their OG killers.

Some questionable changes, but overall a very good patch.

Slowing the game down by reducing healing while simultaneously nerfing gen regression perks across the board is good. It may be annoying having healing take so much longer but gens are going to go faster as well with the perk nerfs. This essentially gives base kit game slow down if you pressure well with less reliance on perks to slow the game down, that's good design.

As a Hillbilly and Hag main, what’s the point of it all.

Peeg buff.

And to my favorite brown add on. Wow, it must be opposite day. And no compensation nerfs.

I enjoy any shake up.

I would make it so that the scourge hooks have 8 tokens that can be used overall. I think by doing this instead the killer can get more use out of their perk and choose when would be a good time or not to use it. OR maybe they should make a mechanic to where every time you a survivor on a scourge hook is saved that hook becomes normal and a new one appears somewhere else that way you cannot camp a hook and keep farming regression. Just an idea. Kind of feel call of brine should be topped off at 150%. Mostly fine with the rest

Hillbilly needs love not abuse.

Kind of wondering what kind of gameplay the devs are planning for the future.

It will and it should. What else are survivors going to do—spend minutes trying to heal themselves?