Dead hard..

Nerfing DH is ultimately a good thing (which is hard to say because I use it all the time). But it's scary to imagine just how much easier chases are about to become vs great players playing top killers like Blight, Nurse, Spirit.

As DH is being nerfed, this will reduce the length of chases. Plus, healing and resetting will take longer and are more likely to be interrupted (likely nullified with a sloppy meta), - so killers with good mobility get buffed significantly. End game saves will be more difficult because of this too. The game for solo players will become THAT much more difficult.

I think if these changes go through, it'd be good for the devs to look at things like extending hook timers further, nerfing Blight's addons significantly, etc. If they could not follow through with one thing - don't put the base heal to 24s. Keep the healing of other survivors at 16s at base.

lmao okay, now I don't feel bad for laughing

When survivors can kill themself on the hook the kill rate dont mean anything

corrupt,the perk that deactivates when killer gets a down, which will probably be much faster without dh? pass

The answer to that is, don't get overly invested in something that seems too good to be true. Because it probably is.

It wasn't reliable at all against good killers or in dead zones, it only helped in 2 situations: when you run to a pallet (or sometimes even a window, and only if the distances are right) and when you bait it by doing 180s or something (this only worked against bad killers who were trigger happy). It was already much weaker than before and much less used. This nerf will definitely delete the perk from the game. Unhooking someone to get ONE stack is just not a good risk/reward ratio. Imagine 3 people leave their gens to get that 1 unhook stack for their beloved dead hard. But yea i guess killer mains will only stop to demand nerfs and buffs until every killer player out there can do 200 wins in a row-streaks with every killer (like some streamers do with Nurse and Blight). Because then kIlLeR iS fInAlLy nOt StReSsfUl aNyMoRe 🤡

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Eruption was super powerful for killer and it was obliterated. People who wanted balance for the game said - ok fine nerf my eruption but please do the same for DH.

The PTB has changed DBD to a state where :

1. Killers dont need gen regression - because none of it is viable.
2. Survivors cant really heal effectively without items or very strong heal perks (we'll make it).
3. Survivors can still bring gen rush perks and toolboxes
4. Healing comes at the expense of "chase buids" and "repair builds"
5. DH is not an incredibly overpowered perk that everyone uses. It might see two to three uses per game instead of 8-16.

I'll never understand how so many killers struggle with a half second endurance, especially when those running it move in predictable ways. They can't use it & vault or drop pallet simultaneously. All you have to do is not act like a dog slobbering over a treat. & I barely even use DH ever. 🤷‍♂️

I could do a copy pasta for Eruption pre nerf.

DH is the single most time wasting/saving perk in the survivor arsenal. Using it once can mean a chase that would last 20 seconds instead lasts 40-60 seconds. The problem is that an extra 40 seconds of chase = 120 seconds for the enemy team.

-"I barely even use DH ever"

That's cool but it's somewhere around a 90% pick rate in my games vs high tier survivors. Remember old PGTW? I used to get something like 6-9 kicks per game; that's 2-3 minutes of extra generator time for the survivors.

The "nerf' to DH made the perk stronger for the very best survivors and let them get +20 seconds minimum in chase for every chase. This is a problem because the killer objective is already longer than the survivor objective.

-"Dead Hard is the only exhaustion perk that allows you to get outplayed at a tile, but undo it after the fact."

Quoted for truth.

-"Unless you were never really interested in having a fair game in the first place, which seems to be the case to a rather disturbing degree."

The average comp. level DBD player is 17 so "fair play" isn't exactly top priority. They want to have fun at the other party's expense. This attitude will hopefully change by the time they reach 25 and their brain is "finished".

It takes a childlike mind to be able to enjoy a victory where the opponent never really had a fair chance to win.

-"This is why I've never hesitated to denounce Nurse and Blight. The two are just on a whole different level from the rest of the cast"

DBD basically needs to have a "SWF mode" where you play vs Nurse and Blight and solo queue where you play against the rest of the cast.

-"But then I'm the one who has to deal with the fallout as a Killer that just plays the game normally."

The reality is that DBD might be "fine" if Not Nurse/Blight killers had a different rule set. It could be any of the following (pick one)

1. If not playing Nurse/Blight you get extra perks (note multiple and likely in the 2-4 range)
2. If not playing Nurse/Blight you have a MMR limit (ie you can't go above say 1400 MMR for an "A" killer, 1200 for a "B" killer, etc.)
3. If not playing Nurse/Blight you cannot play maps larger than 9000m² - because your movement sucks.

There needs to be no more than a 15% difference between the best killer in the game and the worst. Or the game needs to recognize that some killers are just "not as good" and treat them differently.

Sorry doesn't apply to eruption. With DH YOU are in control & involved in the chase. With eruption, unless you're on comms or it's happening in front of your face, you're SOL. If you can't handle half a second of endurance then you aren't outplaying anyone, you're getting outplayed.