I’ll never understand nerfing perks because of their pickrate

Buffing low usage rate perks is fine so they get more interesting, but not to the point they get better than the already meta perks, because i don't believe powercreeping is a good thing in the current state of the game. Hence the nerfs are at least necessary.

This isn't absolute though, as evidenced by the Billy Engravings nerf. They're the most frequently used addons in a killer that, himself, doesn't see a lot of play and most who do play him generally agree the Engravings are the most fun addons to use and/or a genuine necessity.

I choose lithe over dead hard

just like I choose inner strength over circle of healing

And I added to it by adding detail to the current specific exception.

That and I missed the mention of Billy.

Don't forget Hysteria and Leverage! I'm hoping Hysteria and Blood Echo become the new meta, due to all the survivors claiming they'll genrush and never heal all game. Well, here's some perks that punish exactly that.

I agree in theory. Though, if you don't think about why some perks or addons for that matter are overused it's easy to miss when other things are so bad that they aren't really an alternative, which leads to players equipping things they know they can get value from even when they're not all that strong to begin with.

Much like what I assume happened with Billy. The Engravings are used more than anything else because they are fun and you literally don't have any alternative (besides Lo-Pros, which are kind of a crutch). No, I do not consider my TR shrinking by 8 metres but only when overheated (Big Buckle) an alternative to 2 addons that actually give me something useful in nearly every chase. Something I'd actually need.

I think that the healing nerfs will do the opposite.

Makes 3 gens, camping and tunneling way easier to do. You can say that hit and run will be buffed and killers will have more reason to chase.

But i see the healing nerfs making those strategies i said before way more easy to do and win.

Survivors waste more time if they need to protect someone being tunneled, survivors waste 48s to heal themselves and rescue a survivor getting facecamped.

Survivors will waste more time healing or need to try and do the 3 gens injured.

So, i don't believe the heal changes for the altruism was fair. And that the negative consequences and ramifications where well thought out.

So, yes. Maybe hit/run and chasing survivors will be more viable. But look of what chaos can also occur.

And again. I was talking more in terms of fun and excitement for the patch, not even talking about balance or health of the game

Both sides can create exaggerated claims. Killers can claim that if all the good gen kicking regression perks are nerfed, that it would be impossible to defend generators, and survivors will just gen rush every game. And we need to look at the consequences and ramifications of nerfing an entire genre of game slowdown, because nerfing so many of these perks is unfair.

But doomsaying doesn’t really help the game at all. And trying to get some of the survivor nerfs reverted, because of popular feedback, is dangerous thinking, because it implies that the popular opinions are always the best opinions.

We shouldn’t be looking at this as a negotiation phase. We should be trying all these changes for a good solid amount of time, to see how the meta evolves, and work from there.

Correct me if im wrong but isnt this game perk reliant? Why wouldnt people use the best perks that would give them the advantage. I feel whether your a killer or survivor if you go in a match without perks you would probably lose. Also it seems like a marketing strategy that in the last couple of dlcs some of the best perks have been with the licensed characters.

Eh, arguably Altruistic healing doesn't need to be nerfed as much as Self healing, and the 50% increase to healing times will stack multiplicatively with perks like Sloppy and Coulrophobia, so there's definitely huge concerns that certain killer builds will make healing virtually impossible.

You could say it's a no brainer that the sort of healing changes proposed should come with nerfs to Sloppy and Coulrophobia as a necessity, and neglecting them is a huge mistake.

The rest of the changes (besides Billy) are fine though.

You forgot the whole "buffed perks ended up being nerfed afterwards" and "BHVR now sells more gen speed perks"

The Hillbilly change is down to two things, imo:

1. Overheat was a mistake, but BHVR doesn't want to remove it fully, because that would be admitting it was a mistake
2. The proposed engraving nerfs are to "balance" out the Overheat tweak, because BHVR can't seem to process that not every single thing has to be a give and take.

Almost no one plays Billy, and the ones who do primarily do so to play fun, fly across the map curving Billy. Take that, and he's all but dead.

It was (far more than the upcoming one, really), but it was also kind of an outlier in that regard.

"Mains" might disagree, but this new update is actually pretty even handed, tbh. It really blows up the meta on both sides.

It's not perk dependent in theory, but in practice it really is, because how the game plays is almost entirely a function of the people playing it.

For one, Survivors didn't lose endgame DS, they lost DS entirely. The loss of DS makes too many killers turbo-tunnel like there is no tomorrow. I literally just got done with 10 games and only 1 of them had a killer not intentionally hard tunnel off hook before all gens were done. OTR is a joke when the degen killers hit people off hook regardless, negating the use of the perk. The minor buffs to Spine Chill? You mean removing part of the perk? I'd call that a nerf. Distortion, Lightweight, and Lucky Break are the only meaningful buffs I see going down the list. Meanwhile Eruption provided 37.7% combined regression and prevention only hitting 1 gen with 1 surv (10% and incap for 25s, preventing 27.7%). Combining that with Overcharge and Call of Brine has led to innumerable people preferring to hook suicide than play the game, being held hostage in a gen kick circle.

That doesn't even mention the extra total of 50s on gens that were now required (which also shadow buffed % gen regression), while also making basekit killer end chases ~10% faster.

I consistently win my Killer games if I use 2 of the gen kick perks (any combo). Once I realized it was easy mode I forcibly tried to run 1 or no slowdowns. Turns out, balanced builds are good. Running SH:PR with SH:Floods lets you get all the intel you need, while hiding it under going for the PR. Add in a STBFL/Bamboozle/Brutal for a little chase lethality and you got yourself a stew going. Then you can add whatever fits in best. Weak early game? Lethal Pursuer. Weak late game? No Way Out. You have to earn your wins, but you can get them. Unlike the current gen kick perks where a Simpsons weighted bird on the spacebar could even win the game. I think people don't realize how easy it is to stomp soloq when they run into a single skilled SWF, making them forget the past 3 hours of free wins.

I'm a BP main. That means before 6.1.0 I was essentially a Killer main, as BBQ and your own skill was the best way to get the most BP. Now I follow the incentive, and soloq Survivor is near unplayable at the moment. Honestly Survivor incentive is only worth your time at 100%, as even a theoretical 99% means you have a fast enough queue as Killer to get more BP for your time spent.

I'm firmly against nerfing things based on usage, without an underlying reason or understanding. The main Killer perk nerfs I understood (in 6.1.0) was Tinkerer proccing only once per gen now, and Corrupt Intervention preventing facecamp cheese. But the majority of the Survivor nerfs were without logic, or were load bearing beams, preventing the game from collapsing upon itself in the case of DS. Also I loved old Thana, but now it is near worthless because it was overnerfed in response to a needless buff. They could have just reverted the buff and it would have been fine, or drop it to 4.5% per surv to account for the longer gen times, but instead they hard deleted the perk. Old Thana gave me so many free downs where people would try to greed the gen before running off.