Tunneling is being incentivised now

My NAME is LEON thank you.

This does the opposite and de-incentivizes tunneling as it encourages the killer to spread pressure.

By this broad of a definition of "increasing tunneling" we could almost say anything increases tunneling. "insert random killer buff" increases tunneling since it's harder to save.

Tunnelers are gonna tunnel; it's a player issue, not a game design issue.

No matter how you slice it, that remains the same. Keep healing strong, some killers are gonna tunnel out survs with medkits because they are huge time sinks. Weaken healing, and it will be as OP says. Every coin has a flip side

There's no good answer here, because no matter what is changed, the stone cold arithmetic of 3v1 vs. 4v1 for killers will always remain, the rest is just details. For those risk averse cowards who are terrified of losing, getting to a 3v1 asap is always going to be their play.

Yes. If escape is the goal, the correct play (pre-EGC, at least) is always going to be to give yourself up for someone who has been hooked more than you have. This will not change.

Game is balanced for kills and not hooks.

What do you mean "now?" /lol

Tunneling has been the goto meta for close to a year because survivors want to blast gens and escape.

The only way I could believe that claim is if you legit Bloodlust hits on Blight. That is so far from the truth, that you have to be lying in bad faith. Especially with the claim 'nothing good that can control gens with a lot of progress' when Pop still is ultra effective on 70%+ gens. Unearned healing like through CoH is bad, and unearned gen regression through OC/COB is bad. Both are problems for the same reason, and are being removed for the betterment of the game.

Well BHVR can’t nerf healing as they have but leave these lethal regression perks as-is. It would be way too overwhelming for most survivors. I expect the kill rate to raise following mid-chapter update but if regression perks like CoB and PR are not altered then these rates will soar.

While I agree in principle, I do think the proposed COB/OC are still good (just no longer OP), as their unique features are largely untouched. (Intel for COB, Skillcheck for OC dropped to 14% from 15% regression) Arguably CoH is being overly nerfed, but I think since it can be used with other Boon perks it has a lot of hidden value. (I would still allow Self-Care at 35% as the only difference from the proposed version of CoH, as 35% self-care is practically throwing if you don't get healed by someone else.) I think most people overreacted to Pop's nerf, but I also think it, alongside most other 6.1.0 perk nerfs should have been single nerfs, not double nerfs. (Pop still based on max% not current, Ruin staying at 200% disappear on death OR 100% stay on death, DS remaining at 5s, Iron Will being tied to non-exhaustion 100% OR 75% not both, etc.)

OK then... i see you can't see this game from both sides or with clear glasses.. so have a nice day <3

So, in theory, that means making healing faster would be the opposite, and not incentivize tunneling?

Then killers would simply have to hit someone and... keep chasing the same person and never give them any time alone because that might allow them to heal the damage away quickly. Odd, that sounds like it incentivizes tunneling.

Well, your logic can't be wrong, so I guess everything incentivizes tunneling.

(The actual issue is that the core game design makes tunneling as strong as it is and the objectives would have to changed drastically in order to make tunneling no longer a strong strategy, but it's pretty obvious that neither the dev nor the community would be keen on changing the core gameplay loop at this point. Every minor change gets doom-mongering, so a major change like that would make everyones heads explode and probably result in a lot of people blaming real life medical conditions on a video game)

-"CoH gone, crutch hard gone, medkits nerfed into the floor, healing time increased dramatically. And then someone is complaining because call of brine won't delete gens passively anymore? It's such a net win for killers, at least any killer that wasn't relying on call of brine."

Killers aren't going to kick gens anymore. It has never been worth it without kick perks. So that makes blastimine absolute garbage and buffs the hell out of wiretap.

This is not a net win for killers because there is literally no way to protect the generators. A lot of people don't seem to realize that if the gens do not get completed then you have won the game. What this meta shift will do is make sure that the gens get finished most of the time.

All the healing survivors have been enjoying has been at the expense of the killer's fun. If the game is actually going to get balanced then we will need to see all the gen rush perks get the treatment that gen defense perks are getting right now. Nobody is going to use gen defense perks with 70-75% nerfs. Nobody would use a gen "rush" perk that had been given the same treatment.

Toolboxes need to get changed next. They should probably just become "sabotage only" and have the BNP retired.

-"Some killers like Dredge, Hag, Wraith, etc etc are getting the biggest buffs they have ever gotten all at once."

Dredge will have his power more often so that will be a plus for a very "meh" killer; likewise wraith wont be ruined because people brought an item. Hag on the other hand is getting nerfed because you wont need an item to counter her traps. This was a needed change to prevent the "catch 22" scenario where she has franklins to deny your ability to counter her traps.

"I don't know what killers you are playing, but most killers these days can almost brute force every safe loop in the game. You are talking like everyone is playing Wraith in the days of killers like Blight, Pyramidhead, Mastermind, Knight, and all the other killers who can basically negate looping. Not to mention some incredibly strong anti-loop perks like dissolution now exist."

Due to forum rules I'm not allowed to discuss why you are wrong. In short very good players know how to circumvent mechanics like "window blocking. You can however find a certain video by the streamer Hens mentioning that such techniques exist.

I will remind you that Trappers find themselves facing the same difficult opponents that Pyramid heads do. The MMR system doesn't keep them separate even though everyone knows Trapper is inadequate against good players.

So brave and yet so true. Most people believe that survivors cannot tunnel. It is their divine right to finish the generators and the killer isn't allowed to tunnel them in response to their tunneling.

In what upside down dystopia do you live in? For six years DBD has been a survivor playground almost without exception. If you are a new player that doesnt know how to loop then maybe I could understand your point of view.

I respectfully disagree. Balancing the game for new survivors is important to ensure that the game remains accessible to a wider audience. While players will certainly learn by playing the game, it's important to make sure that the learning curve isn't so steep that it discourages new players from sticking around. Just because you have 3000 hours in the game doesn't mean that everyone does, and it's important to keep in mind that not everyone has the same level of experience.

Disagree. While it's important to teach new players, it's also crucial to take into account the experience of seasoned players. Especially with how inaccurate MMR currently is. Neglecting the needs of either group could lead to an unbalanced game that is not enjoyable for anyone. Instead, finding a way to balance both sets of players will result in a fair and enjoyable experience for all.

Do you have any ideas on how we could make it easier for new players to learn the ropes of the game, while still ensuring that long-time players can enjoy their experience? Lots of new players quit the game early because of not-so-fun mechanics and the overwhelming number of perks that need knowledge to counter.

Agreed. However, it is important to note that there is still a significant learning curve that needs to be addressed for new players, especially in terms of perks.  It's worth considering that the mechanics of DBD were originally designed to be more casual and resemble a party game.

However, as with many games that have PvP elements, players tend to optimize their strategies to the point where the game becomes less enjoyable for others, as is the case with tunnelling in DBD. It's also not ideal that perks for fixing said unfun mechanics are restricted by paywalls.

One of the wisest things I've read on these forums. Hear hear!

This is such a lame mindset. You aren't less skilled, because you took advantage of the opponent's mistakes to capitalize yourself on an advantage. You don't have to hard tunnel the first survivor you find in order to not spread hooks. You can even generate enough pressure to force a survivor to end up in second state on some maps like Azarov's.

Forcing yourself to hook everyone equally over some pride does not actually make you more skillful. As it means you are giving up your own advantage instead of making use of it.

i will not tunnel unless you are the last person or you bodyblock but its just one hit then