Remember: If you don't see an exhaustion perk, tunnel right off of hook.

This isn't bait. I fully plan to hit survivors off of hook from now on unless I see an Exhaustion perk during the first chase, and I encourage everyone else to do the same.

There's not really any incentive not to do this at this point.

In case you haven't been keeping up with the dev notes, they changed DH again since the PTB. Now it activates whenever the survivor who has DH is unhooked or unhooks themselves. That's why this post was made.

In case you did keep up and you meant exactly what you said, I don't care about points; if I got 7K points and everyone else gets 40K points, but I somehow got a 4K, that's good enough. Really doesn't matter to me which survivors got which scoring events; I just want to keep DH from extending the next chase by 30 seconds because they managed to time it right at a pallet in the only area of the map that isn't a deadzone when there's only one gen left.

Yeah, I made fun of people who complained about DH before its first nerf, but then my MMR went up, and I started facing survivors who know how to loop.

Even back then, you're right, it wasn't that big of a deal because I had my Ruin/Undying crutch to fall back on.

But it seems that survivors get to keep all their crutch perks mostly unchanged, and I don't get to keep any of mine; the only thing I can do to keep myself above water is to play without them, which means playing mean and being aggressive.

I get that response a lot. I grew up in an era when internet forum posts were commonly as long as book chapters. The internet was better that way.

You need to start reading books. You have no idea how much brighter the world gets as your reading comprehension starts to improve.

I'm not immune. I've been lazy lately, but I've been using techniques I learned from a speech therapist and starting to read novels again, and it's helping.

Sleep deprivation on and off to the point of psychosis. Finally popped some of my zyprexa (nasty #########!) which I won't touch under normal circumstances, which knocked me out for 20 hours and left me feeling groggy for another 12, but I'm feeling a little better now.

How are you?

You're wrong about everything.

1. Right. Activating "basekit BT" is the idea. You want to hit them before the BT timer is up.
2. I've been running Forced Penance in almost every game lately. I Love it with a capital L when survivors try to bodyblock.
3. Even if you're not running Forced, no, they won't have time to "run off and mend" if you're even halfway paying attention to the screen. Stay on the main target; the other survivors will follow you and give you free stuff.
4. Survivors who try to 3-man bodyblock don't know what they're doing. It doesn't provide much benefit, and it's too easy to get snowballed. If you're still doing that, you're probably still in low MMR. I very rarely see teams that do that anymore, and it usually doesn't end well for them.
5. Even if survivors B through D all jump in front of me and take hits - which would, mind you, make me very happy, since they're all off of gens and now injured - that isn't going to buy enough time for survivor A to mend, and even if it did, it's okay, because the slowdown and the extra hits/downs I got out of it are probably worth it.

I'll tunnel off the hook if it's an appropriate thing to do in that situation. Rendering my gen kicks completely useless and not giving me any reason to leave the hook while simultaneously making hard tunneling the only counter to DH means I'm going to hard tunnel.

This is how the game wants me to play, as far as I can tell.

I'm not out to ruin survivors' fun, but if the optimal way to play makes them feel like I'm giving them a big middle finger, that doesn't bother me, either.

We'll see, but I don't think it's a "slight chance".

A lot of the games I've lost recently featured three or four DHs, so I think you're understating how devastating that perk can be against low mobility and M1 killers. Hitting someone off of the hook can be the difference between that survivor dead before the last gen and losing the game.

And since gen regression is gone, it's the most optimal play in most circumstances.

If I stop seeing 1-4 Dead Hards every single match after the update drops, that's that, but I think that the prophesied "Sprint Burst meta" is going to give way only to the "Dead Hard Meta, Chapter III".

I think I've made several posts on this forum to the effect of, "I camp and tunnel because it makes life easier for me". I don't have to justify it.

This post isn't about that, though; this is about a very specific meta change that has a very specific and effective counter. Even people who don't tunnel and camp as a matter of course are going to see this as an option, because it is one.

Yeah, "I camp and tunnel because I have to" is a common copium cop-out, but so are "camping and tunneling is always a cop-out" and "you were probably going to camp and tunnel, anyway"; those are just ways of dancing around the fact that there are times when it's absolutely the correct thing to do, sometimes as the result of some change to a gameplay mechanic or another.

I'm also trying to lightly point out the absurdity of introducing a gameplay mechanic with the stated intention of discouraging a gameplay strategy that it then goes on to directly encourage.

You're partially correct about this. If you're not putting any pressure and survivors are smart enough to do gens, tunneling can bite you in the ass. It's about knowing when to do it.

I'm just saying that if you didn't notice an exhaustion perk, assuming DH stays meta (and of course it will), you gain more by proxy camping the hook (and "proxy camping" means you run off to go pressure a gen real quick while you wait for the unhook).

That's a good point, but if they're wasting an entire perk slot just to use 1-3 of their perks suboptimally, so be it. That probably works out in the killer's favor overall.

If I start seeing this every game, I may very well just starting hitting everyone right off of hook, but I'm not all that worried since it's a pretty bad strategy.

I said something to this effect above, but it doesn't mean we should or shouldn't make their game miserable. I'm not advocating trying to ruin survivors' time for its own sake.

It's just, like the picture says, not my responsibility. Losing is rarely a whole lot of fun. If seeing DHs makes me miserable, then I'm not really thinking much about the fact that the only counter to it makes survivors miserable. It's just the nature of the game.

No, I haven't. However, for your information:

I tunneled less, because tunneling actually became less effective. Nothing I loved more than watching a survivor drop two seconds after getting off of the hook. That simple pleasure was stolen from me.

Yes, this is a good reason to tunnel more.

No, this discourages tunneling. It encourages faceamping instead and just hook trading for maximum value.

Has nothing to do with anything. If anything, this gives me a reason not to tunnel.

Respond to others when I feel like it. Don't put words in my mouth.