See? I told you

Depends on what killer you're running. Most of the top builds for better killers largely just focus on finding surivors ASAP to keep the pressure rolling. Best builds for killers like nurse and huntress, for example, all just use aura perks for the most part. The better you are, the less gen slowdown you need because you can keep the pressure up.

I agree, the changes were far too much and to their credit it appears they have been listening.

I don't play DBD at all lately but follow updates to some extent but I do remember the old days where the devs would get an idea, the community would react with horror and make great suggestions... then they devs would do what they wanted anyway and it was inevitably a disaster.

At least they appear to be listening now, so if changes that happen turn out to be really bad they will themselves be changed. Though you can never please everyone of course

i just wish all scourge hook perks applied to basement hooks. I’d be more likely to run them if they were.

Did you really just say DH got buffed? Yea cause that's going to deter killers from just tunneling the unhooked person knowing they won't have DH. Lol alright man. 👍️

-"You ignore that Killers also got a buff by making their pallet breaks faster."

Truetalent made a video on this using Wraith to have maximum speed pallet breaking and even with something like 100% faster breaking it made no difference in chase. So the 10% pallet break speed was literally nothing.

"Survivors also got less of a speed boost after each hit and most importantly: +10 seconds of generator time, adding up to around +50 seconds over the match and improving all percentage based regression perks..."

Survivors also got base kit borrowed time - which was a meta perk. But now almost nobody uses BT because the base kit effect is so strong.

Every unhook gives the survivors +10 seconds. So while survivors "lost" 10 seconds across five generators they "gained" 10 seconds off the hook about 8 times per match. That's a net loss of 30 seconds.

The devs could have given killer base kit Fire Up or base kit Save the Best for last. Instead they gave paltry buffs that basically change nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Survivors now have 5 perks each thanks to base kit BT and the killer has 4 perks. Overall patch 6.1 was one step forward and two steps back for killer.

Exactly. DH needs to go down in usuage to where Pop is right now - dead.

-"Then he's a bad Wraith player."

Ah yes certainly that is the issue. He has nearly 9k hours played and has been playing Wraith for 6 years. He plays DBD for a living - he must be bad at it. LOL.

-"Also, Killers did get basekit STBFL. 2 stacks of it."

So why not give survivors 2 seconds of BT? That's because 2 seconds of BT would not be useful. They could have just made STBFL base kit and it would have made killer a lot more enjoyable.

-"I take it you wouldn't care if all the Killer changes from 6.1.0 were reverted"

Against SWF teams killer was stronger before rather than after 6.1 but became better against solo players until the HuD update.

The upcoming patch will make killer "less unfun" but won't revitalize the role.

To make killer "fun" they need to go through with the second part of the plan. Just to remind you - Step one was to make Solo queue survivors closer to SWF players. The HuD update did that.

Step two was : Buff killers.

So where are the big killer buffs? I'd totally be fine with : here are +2 perk slots.

Yeah, it's gonna be pretty dead. I know I won't use it. At the very least I think that if uses are going to be limited, they should remove the Scourge Hook part, and have it trigger on any hook.

I mean, yes. BHVR allowed the survivor player base become this spoiled. They created this monster, let them deal with it.

trying to use prove slows down gens - 90 seconds for 2 solo gens vs 92 seconds plus running time for 2 duo gens with prove

Corrupt got nerfed because " survivors didn't like it".

They should have given killers Base kit dead lock - that way both sides have objective tunneling protection.

you might not know this, but 92 seconds and time spent running is longer than 90 seconds, and one survivor getting chased off a gen and being forced to stop repairing wastes less time than two survivors getting chased off a gen and stopping repairs

yeah, the logic still works in that scenario because its the toolboxes and other perks in dedicated gen speed builds that are the problem there.

"Prove slows down generators"

"oh but what if you decide to also bring things that speed up generators"

then, instead of reducing gen speed from 90 sec to 92 sec + run time for 2 gens, it'll reduce gen speed from 70 sec to 72 sec + run time for 2 gens. it's still the other stuff doing the work there, prove is still a net negative on your gen speed.

people run prove thyself for the BP bonus, not because of gen speed buffs

I don’t agree with you, but even if you're right, you do not take into account two points: there are killers against whom it is more profitable to repair gens together; there are generators that the killer doesn't care about. When you play against mobile killers who can easily come to an important generator and prevent its progress, you need to repair them together to finish them as quickly as possible. Not every generator on the map is important to the killer, because he cannot break and protect every generator on the map. And here Prove is a great help which breaks the timings for killer.

People forget that no Dead Hard in the first chase is huge. Getting that first hook is what starts actually slowing gens down and starts to move the game more in the killer's favour. If you don't tunnel then it's the first two chases with no DH.

Just so i know what your point is, what match result, given equal skill between killer and survivor, should be the norm?

at that point old pop was MUCH better because it granted that effect on the gen that YOU wanted to save, not to mention that it could be activated more than 4 times AND wasn't dependent by certain condictions that could deny the use of the perk (in the scourge hook's case the positions of said hooks, that's pure rng and most of the times will screw you badly)... Both perks incentivized a fun gameplay based on mixed hooks (meaning no camp and tunnel) and devs nerf them just because they were meta, so please, don't even try to justify unneeded nerfs, we know that devs don't even play their same game enough to understand how things works at medium/high mmr, otherwise they won't even did maps so much safe in the 1st place...