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I just want a chill match! Why do you I have to sweat? (Killer criticism/cringe from a killer)
Feel free to ignore this, its more of a therapeutic thing for me because I can't really talk with any of these people, they just call me a survivor main and then tell me to cope more...
Killers and especially content creators, this is for you. I hear a whole lot of you out there say things like this a lot and it makes me scratch my head to no end. What the heck does this stuff even mean?
My least favorite attitude that is super pervasive in this whole community right now is the killers acting like they aren't winning the majority of their matches. I'm not an OG legacy player but I have some time under my belt and I can't help but think that you guys seriously either really don't know how crazy unbalanced this game use to be for killers or you just forgot how many god loops existed on every map, how entire teams could escape with a key once they found hatch, how DS was a free escape, how DH let you extend every chase for free, instablind beamers, so much actual BS has been fixed and you still act like we're on the back pedal. Not to mention the actual buffs on attack speed, breaking, ect.
Every single time someone says they just want a chill match or whatever they don't really mean that. A match is as chill as YOU make it. No one is forcing you to 3 gen every game or tunnel out people, you're doing that so you can win without putting in more effort than you really want to. Because the truth is you lack the skills to identify which player is unsafe at which tile because you relied so hard on your perks and tunneling to carry you that you never honed the basics. Just like how the old survivors relied so hard on the old small PP build, you're the same and you not seeing that is starting to become so annoying in the content creator space. You actually see people saying that nerfing healing and getting rid of self care on COH is a killer nerf because that just means people will do gens more than heal. Seriously? They'll be injured more too, if nothing else it will balance out. And yes, the nerfs to the slowdown perks are huge the the 3gen meta is stale as all heck so its kind of warranted
No, "I want a chill match" really just means you want to play bots. Well, bots are in the game now, so you can do that any time you want. Go have the chillest matches ever.
Seriously though. I'm a killer main and I can't be the only one winning most of my matches. I'm not saying this next part to be sanctimonious or bragging, its just the truth. I have close to 2000hrs and 70% or so is just killer. I go out of my way not to tunnel or camp (My personal preference, not an indictment of the strategy) and the only gen perk I use consistently is discordance.
I started playing right about when Ruin got its first big nerf to remove skill check progression. Back then POP became the meta and I was convinced you NEEDED it to play the game well. I used pop, surveillance, and bbq on everyone and it became my safety net. Then, I watched someone play pig and talk about how gen perks really don't teach you the skills to get better in chase or how to organically create pressure from your snowballs. He sort of challenged viewers to stop using slowdown for a while and see if you can still win. So I did and I still do and I'm fairly certain that overall I've become much better in regards to game sense and skill.
This isn't to decry those other tactics. I honestly think people should play however they want to play, more power to them. I'm only stating that I don't use slowdown or camp/tunnel to make the point that I win the majority of my games still. Yes, I also get the 4 man swfs that can knock out every gen in less than 5 minutes but that is far from the norm. Some games you get the worst map RNG possible, the maps are usually the real deciding factor of a W or not. People acting like they have achieved some unholy level of MMR where you only go against 4 man swfs is beyond cringe. So is complaining about those same people though so I guess I'm kinda cringe too, sorry.
Either way, I just wanted to kind of vent a little cause hearing these people on youtube and twitch is really annoying and they are kind of poisoning the well in terms of opinions. The echo chamber is getting really bad and you have these odd communities sprouting up around specific creators that sound so vindictive to survivor players that it feels personal and super vitriolic. Like, I'm all for some Bming and trolling in game on either side but these people make it feel almost cult like with how excited they get when a killer tunnels a survivor out or moris them. Its kind of creepy~
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Oh wow, yet another humblebrag thread about how good someone is, how original! Can you link your stream of 4k-ing 99 out of 100 matches with Wrath using no perks and addons? I want to learn from the gods themselves!
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I'm not anything special friendo, I probably 3-4k about 3/4s of my games and my point is so do you and most other people. The annoying part is acting like losing 2 or 3 games out of 10 is indicative of your entire killer experience.
And this claim is mostly aimed at the content creators (which I'm not) in regard to their rhetoric about the state of killer. I've seen some people make claims that the game is wildly survivor sided now and that gens go to fast. Yet, I'll watch these same people sweep 4 or 5 games in a row and then then the next day they post a video about "the reason people are leaving killer" its plain silly.
Winning is great but that isn't as memorable as a hard loss, especially in games you never had a chance at winning. (4 swfs, bnps, Erie of crows, ect..) Makes you forget the last game pretty quickly.
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I haven't quite gotten it down to no perks yet, but no addons/map offerings is my standard for Wraith. He's my BP farmer for funding my survivors and a few other killers who are more addon reliant. Can't wait for the upcoming flashlight nerf. Will give me more flexibility with my builds.
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Either your mmr is extremely low, or you use nurse or blight. Survivors have it easy at high mmr.
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Honestly when people say chill on either side they really mean don't run the best stuff possible/ on killer side tunnel. Most killers are not winning 7/10 games, you underestimate how bad this play base is on both sides all the way to comp level. When a killer player puts extensive time into this game and actually tries to learn hard macro and some micro of each killer they play it can seem easy, in reality the survivors they are going against just don't have the skill/teamwork/ are solo to contest them. But survivors make innumerable mistakes each game that add up to a stupid amount of killer rolling pressure. If you think otz with his superb macro(not micro) should have less than an 80% kill rate or lilith playing the hardest killer in this game by far that few survivors have gone out of their way to learn anything about in this player base I don't know what to tell you. High mmr killers are not getting matched against equal survivors for the most part and the same goes for survivors.
Your skill simply means more in a 1v4 as the 1 than the 4 where 1 person can lose you the game. So many survivor players inting and so many killer players are just flat out bad.
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If you think otz with his superb macro(not micro) should have less than an 80% kill rate
Why does this only go one way though? Some skilled killer racks up an enormous kill count and that's fine, but a perfectly coordinated survivor team manages to demolish a less competent killer and suddenly all the alarm bells get rung about how unfair the game is.
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Guess when one guy beats the crap out of four is less morbid of the case than when four do the same to one guy.
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I mean if you are talking directly to me, then I don't know why. I appreciate how high the skill cap for playing survivor at tiles is, more than any killer besides blight. It's why you will see me complaining about avg skill level especially for survivor on these forums, I want to have my micro tested against these near non existent good players.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate efficient swfs as well but it's like a blight tunneling with alch ring, boring. Comp teams are always mid in chase while being super, super efficient. But, keep in mind I main blight and I crave survivors who have put in the effort to learn my killer in order to abuse collision against me.
On the other hand, I realize how most killers either have no counter play vs survivors or eventually the survivors have no counter play vs the killer. I despise that as well. So if you see me defending killers from coordinated swfs it's because of that fact, it's up to the survivors to mess up until the have nothing left to use in their area. Blights just the perfect middle ground of (outside his top 2 add-ons of course) where if both sides are good enough there is a disgusting amount of counter play for both parties.
Last thing I will say is maps can sway into survivor side to such a disgusting degree that even heavily experienced killers can have nothing to do vs competent survivors. Like sure, I might be able to eat through enough pallets after getting pre-dropped for 3 min to win as blight, but every other killer is just losing on spawn.
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If the claim is that most killers have a 70% kill rate why does both Bhvrs last stats(released before major survivor buffs, around 60%) and nightlight(around 50% ** voluntary sample size) both disagree with you?
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I don't play killer much but I feel that's what the perks are for, you're one killer against four. I'm not trying to say that you have to use perks to be good, but I see why some of them exist. For me, I play whatever I don't consider anything I do or the killers does is "sweaty" per say but the mind games are tough and fun. I understand it seems like a wrote the same thing down but I wouldn't put DBD in a category like that.
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So basically...
Skill issue?
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If your winning 70% of your matches at high mmr then your very good at the game, congratulations.
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Survivors also have a say in how the match goes.... Gun rushing is a thing... or a team that is more worried about Gens then everything else
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I don't think I'll ever say it enough but the entire "I just want a chill game, why do I have to sweat?" attitude is silly. If you don't want to have to sweat to win you can literally just stop sweating so you don't reach (or drop from) MMR where sweating is necessary, unless the issue is that you don't want to sweat but you also don't want to lose so you make it everyone's problem.
Honestly I think part of why there's so much beef between killer & survivor mains is because they have different ideas of what the game being balanced would mean, and therefore disagree on everything. Survivors want to escape a game out of two but killers seem to want a 4k a game out of two without the 4E counterpart because 2+ survivors escaping is unacceptable (and I've rarely seen people consider a 2k something other than a loss).
anyways I've stopped caring about my number of kills and escapes and I absolutely recommend it! DBD is a silly game, you don't need to be in high MMR or get a 4k/escape every game and you'll be better off if you stop trying to achieve that (unless that's your jam but if you enjoy sweating you're probably not complaining about having to do it)
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