So survivors nerf update became killer nerf update? KEKW

Unless they get multiple heals out of it, every time they boon, it slows them down.

I’d rather the number of people using DH be lowered as much as possible, and the original PTB DH would have done this much better than the new DH.

And the average number of DH activations per match would be lower with the original PTB DH, especially if multiple people brought the perk to the same game.

There are still multiple szenarios in which someone will not be able to use their dead hard at all in a match: never being hooked, being the last one the Killer hooks, not being unhooked for example because of a camping LF, if the Killer tunnels right after the unhook (hits them in deep wound and chasing them to hook them again).

Also being camped in second state means you can only use it once.

I can't speak for your experience but i know from mine that hard tunneling can backfire massively against good survivors.

And it's the same for pretty much every person i watch playing at high level too. None of them go into the game with the mindset of having their first 3 hooks on the same survivor.

They'll do it ofcourse if the survivors hand it on a silver platter but they know it's a trap against good swfers.

Otz mentioned this on his video when he did the no tunnel experiment i believe. Against the highest level survivors hardcore tunneling doesn't work.

Also i'm having a bit of a deja vu here and i'm not the best with names so sorry if i'm mixing you up with someone else but i remember another convertation with someone with a nurse profile picture.

Obviously this doesn't apply to nurse, she can do whatever she wants. It's not the same game she is playing

None of that is relevant. If the original PTB version went live, survivors would realize they can easily get stuck with zero activations, and would drop the perk.

It’s the same thing with devour hope. Yes there are scenarios where the killer gets 5 stacks and can mori survivors, but killers are more likely to remember all the games where they didn’t get a chance to mori any survivors.

Yeah but that was my point: Survivors will still experience matches where they get no uses, so they will drop the perk (I think simply the announcement of a nerf makes some people drop a perk, even if the perk is still good, but that is a different topic).

So the question is: Is your szenario of not getting an unhook more common than the szenarios I mentioned? And honestly I don't know. In the last two solo survivor matches I played I would have gotten the same amount of uses out of dead hard with both versions so I'm not sure that it makes a big difference, but two rounds is obviously a very small sample.

Live DH has an average of 1 activation per hook state, so scenarios like “survivor never got unhooked” would have lowered live DH’s activations too.

And it takes way more time and effort to reliably get an unhook before every chase (especially in solo q), than it is to passively get activations for free. And it’s even more time and effort if 2 solo q survivors bring original PTB DH and are fighting each other to get unhooks.

And if all 4 survivors bring original PTB DH, then it would be a total mess for everyone, because there would be 8 activations that could possibly be available, which averages to 2 activations per survivors, at which point the original PTB’s best scenario is what new DH can easily give for free. And original PTB DH would have been a nightmare for 4 survivors to coordinate, and survivors could very easily miss out on activations.

And original PTB DH would also be worse then new DH if the killer is proxy camping, but doesn’t hit the survivor immediately after being unhooked, because the original PTB DH wouldn’t have given a free activation for being unhooked.

Live Dead Hard has a great many more activations than just one per hook state, because it activates as soon as you're injured. You're conflating activations with uses, which is another reason you're under the impression this isn't a gigantic nerf.

Survivors currently get activations of Dead Hard for free on live. The difference is that now they only get two uses of Dead Hard as well. Or, to be even more accurate, two attempted uses per match.

To the overall point of the PTB DH possibly giving zero uses - what you're missing there is that this new version of the perk has more restrictions than the PTB version, not fewer. You may get two attempts without having to get an unhook, but you have zero control over when those activations are and cannot use them in your first chase or without being hooked between them. The previous version could easily keep someone off the hook multiple times if they're proactive about getting unhooks, and that is stronger than the current version.

literally remember unhooker also has dead hard avaliable

We know that new DH is largely considered an un-nerf, because so many survivors went from "I can't believe BHVR is trying to kill this game" to "thank you BHVR for listening to our feedback". BHVR was so heavy with the survivor un-nerfs that they have completely failed to make injuries feel like they matter, even though that was supposed to be the entire point of this meta shakeup.

If the survivor community largely felt new DH was weaker than original PTB DH, then these forums would have been flooded with survivor complaints.