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Why are you review bombing Dead by Daylight?

Why isn't Valve dealing with review exploitation? They should legitimately be banned from Steam for review bombing Dead by Daylight. Absolutely disgusting.

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  • StravenMajere
    StravenMajere Member Posts: 8

    Because patch 6.7.0 shouldn't be released. It seems like the first time when both survs and killers agreed that changes are bad. But killers suffer more from this patch.

  • Sonzaishinai
    Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976

    While i don't agree with them and think it's very sad it is within their right to leave feedback this way. It's what it's there for.

    Smart people just learn to make their own mind and not blindly listen to steam reviews.

    It is kinda interresing, community is bassically saying to BHVR to never make any drastic changes again and whatever they do never listen to the community again.

    Pretty much everything that was changed was asked for in large quantities by the community. And in the big scope of things not that much has changed. 4ish perks got nerfed and the most busted item survivors had was toned down but still is the strongest tool they have.

    For BHVR this makes things very easy. Just go back to supersafe changes. Clearly people hate change. They secretly love running the same perks over and over again. What a joke

  • oxygen
    oxygen Member Posts: 3,335

    This is the realest thing lmao

    Everyone has heard the good old "Your fun isn't my responsibility". Has anyone ever heard "That was annoying! But my fun isn't your responsibility and the strat worked, wp"? I doubt it 😄

  • Dustin
    Dustin Member Posts: 2,321
    edited April 2023

    It's not your responsibility or mine to take accountability for a multi million dollar company getting bad reviews - I feel you shouldn't worry about it.

    Valve has a system in place to counteract review bombings by automatically flagging them - Users who don't want this affecting their store can toggle this on or off. If it's really a problem for BHVR they can respond to it by either giving a public statement or adjusting their game. Truth be told BHVR does this to theirself because when ever a balance change mass upsets the community it's because everyone became content with it because it takes them forever to make balance changes. That or they do something insane like nerfing Hillbilly when the majority of the community would say that for the most part they were fine.

    Do you really feel people would have been upset about Decisive Strike or Dead Hard for example if BHVR didn't wait years to change them? Other times BHVR has gotten review bombed was because of the removal of Pinhead's voice without announcing anything (I get it I guess - licensing) and the NFT drama surrounding that and a few times some employees have said questionable things.

  • KenwanObinobi
    KenwanObinobi Member Posts: 185

    BHVR has tried to fix the unbalance issue by reworking/buffing/nerfing perks but i think it is not enough.

    They must dive into map rebalancing, the last map reworks show they have a lack of knowledge on how to balance a map...

    They also have to work some more on the tunneling issue.

    I'm playing both sides and i agree that mass tunneling is really really annoying.

  • KenwanObinobi
    KenwanObinobi Member Posts: 185

    Every multiplayer communities are toxic unfortunately...

    The main problem with DbD is that some perks invite players to be toxic and adds up to the general toxicity of the players.

  • sulaiman
    sulaiman Member Posts: 3,219

    The problem is, that behaviour insists in keeping swf and solo survivor in one system, with killer balanced somewhere in the middle.

    So every balance change to move killer closer in balance to swf moves them further away in balance from solo, every buff to survivor might affect swf even more than solos.

    Just from my point of view: As killer, i pretty much beat most solo teams i encounter, and the more casual swf. Sweaty swf, i usually have a really hard time, and this are the matches that frustrate me.

    However, the last changes did nothing to me, because if i beat solo anyway, it doesnt matter how easy i beat them, while at the same time, the changes are not enough to help me against sweat swf at all. As a killer, this patch affected me next to not at all.

    As solo survivor, however, it got even worse. Part might not even be the changes themself, but the change in killer behaviour, because since the patch, every single match i had a killer camp or tunnel, because its even easier to do. I am at the point where i dont see any sense in playing survivor at all, so i play killer or another game.

  • crogers271
    crogers271 Member Posts: 1,915

    This happens almost every time, and the argument is always "but the nerf isnt fun"

    Maybe for the people leaving the reviews its true.

  • Seji1556
    Seji1556 Member Posts: 9

    Yeah review bombing is sth that always happens if some1 receives a nerf.

    I played enough mmo’s in my life to notice that. And this is why it’s a problem. People just throw all their salt in the reviews, in the hope they are getting theirs change reverted as long as they just cry enough.

    but that’s not what reviews are for and that’s a problem…

    And in this case the devs brought the problem in theirs own house.

    They implemented sbmm and opened a very problematic box for the game. This way they gave the game a competitive aspect. And competitive games should be balanced around the best what is in the possibilities of a player. So we balance around a full sweat swf… this is a problem because this basically kills soloq, due to the fact the gap between soloq and swf is gigantic.

    Some people wrote it here. SWF more or less still too powerful and soloq is a nightmare right now.

    what to do now? Yeah actually I think there is no perfect solution for this. To really achieve something like balance you will need to separate swf and soloq. But this will definitely result in q times to the moon for swf.

    what is not a real solution at all.

    you can maybe make a normal and a ranked mode while the ranked mode has tournament rules? The normal mode would have no sbmm and is just fun and messing around?

    I am really not sure about this, but throwing everything in one pot is just not the solution… there will then be 1 party that is massively put in a misery and that will be the soloq players mostly…

    and ofc killer who have weird matches. First match sweaty swf genrush boys followed by soloq no items squad…. Kinda weird.

  • KenwanObinobi
    KenwanObinobi Member Posts: 185
    edited April 2023

    It is getting review bombed because the community is bored of what BHVR does with the game and it is legit.

    It has been 7 years and we still have the following problems that has been in the game since pretty much the start :

    • unbalanced maps
    • unbalanced loop forcing you to equip some perks for M1 killers
    • DH too strong for YEARS
    • Toolboxes too strong
    • SWF still way too OP
    • Weird nerf choices balancing the game around bad players and so breaking the game at higher level
    • and so on...

    Sure BHVR has improved the game the last couple of years but they are far from what the community is expecting.

    Just look at the last patch, what is this for a full META gen rush ? It is boring, gens are flying and if as a killer you want to win, you have to tunnel and play dirty, that is the only viable option now.

    Where is the fun ?


    The previous patch had its flaw (regression too powerfull, Dh too strong) but the trials i had were way better on both sides.

  • KayTwoAyy
    KayTwoAyy Member Posts: 1,699

    Thank you for reminding me that I should update my Steam review to match my current opinion about the game.

    Game is currently on sale for $8. It'll speak volumes back at HQ if they can't sell the game at this price.

  • Seji1556
    Seji1556 Member Posts: 9

    The idea behind separating swf and soloq is that you can balance it. So in soloq killers would be less powerful and in swf more powerful. So you will have a way to balance the information aspect from swf etc.

    normal mode is just ffa. It would be dbd before sbmm. All addons and items allowed etc. so yeah an swf can come and destroy you, but they will more likely be in the sweat swfq to push rating. This mode is more meant to be a casual messing around experience. This games will exist, it would be much less than before probably.

    Don’t get me wrong. This solution is not perfect either, but I think it’s better compared to what we have now. And it’s just the “competitive road” they were starting to walk along.

    So this is just an idea to make this game more enjoyable for casuals and soloq players. also for killers who can choose what experience they want to have.

    for me as a killer main I can say that I like to face strong swf teams. But not 90% of my games in the evening. Sometimes I just wanna mess around or try sth new. But sadly there is no possibility to do that. Not sure where mmr brought you or the others here, but it’s kinda exhausting to sweat the … out of every game. And I think this is not sth only I want or only killers want. Sometimes you just wanna play for fun, but actually there is only ranked q with a very big amplitude of outcome.

  • KenwanObinobi
    KenwanObinobi Member Posts: 185

    I'm mostly matched against trioQ/SWFs, all from the same country or with something in the nickname shwoing they play together.

    It is exhausting when it is every game with every killer, especially because i cannot do anything against such a team with The Onryo, a killer that i like a lot.

    Some killers have a power good enough that you can win in a 5-7 minutes trial (time to do all gens) but other killers do not and so it is a guaranteed loss...

  • KenwanObinobi
    KenwanObinobi Member Posts: 185
    edited April 2023

    There are many things broken in the game.

    First and foremost, the game has been designed around this idea : the killer has to capitalize on survivors' mistakes, if there is no mistake, the killer cannot win.

    If you are kind of aware about what game design is, just look at how DbD killers' powers are designed.

    Let's take 2 exemples : Billy and Wesker.

    Those killers cannot outplay a good survivor in chase; why ?

    1. the slowdown applied to their movement speed during the power charge
    2. once released, the time you need to reach the other side of the loop and curve

    Those two points combined make it impossible to catch a survivor around a loop if this survivor doesn't do a mistake. Try it with a friend, loop around a safe loop and try to catch your friend with your power, you will succeed 1 time out of 20 if your friend is good enough.

    So the devs have designed the game this way, what can you do ? Loop with M1, wait for the pallet to drop, break the pallet, repeat.

    There are 12 to 20 pallets on each map.

    The gamee could have been designed around "the survivor has to use the pallet at the right time" or "the survivor has to dodge the power and then loop again" but it is not the case.

    The mistakes come from the pallets RNG where some survivors will lost themselves during the chase but you know what, Windows of opportuny has been created by the devs, the majority of the players use it and it negates completely the possible mistakes they would do. You go from 50% chances they do a mistake to 10% chances.

    That is why a good SWF will win 99% of their trials, cause the game design does not allow the killer to win. That is also why survivor mains hate the Blight and the Nurse cause in this case, those killers are outside of the overall DbD's game design...

  • Reinami
    Reinami Member Posts: 5,638

    Dead hard change was needed. The healing nerfs were only too much for altruistic healing, which they fixed by basically making personal healing slow. They nerfed 3 genning. Why are you mad again?

  • ad19970
    ad19970 Member Posts: 6,463

    Wait, are people still review bombing the game? Lmao what? I thought that was because of the nerfed altruistic healing, which BHVR reverted.

  • MikaelaWantsYourBoon
    MikaelaWantsYourBoon Member Posts: 6,564

    New meta for survivors no heal and genrush, get Adrenaline.

    New meta for killers anti-heal builds, tunnel one of the survivors early and then kill rest later.


    So i have no fun in this game anymore. Actually i have not fun for very long time. Ruin - Pop meta was probably the best, i wish we back to this days.

  • KenwanObinobi
    KenwanObinobi Member Posts: 185
    edited April 2023

    They have nerfed the complete killer's gen control capability.

    By nerfing 3 gens, they made it easy for the survivors to finish the last gen and escape but they also nerfed the control the killer has on the generators.

    Now the killer cannot apply pressure without camping/tunneling.

    All the games i have won as killer (other the nurse and blight) have been with the camp/tunnel strategy.

    Against good survivors, 3 gens are done by the end of the 1st chase.

    2nd gen is done during the 2nd chase.

    So you have 2 to 3 hooks and there is one gen left... at this point, only nurse can win.

    The gen pressure should be on the killer side, not on the survivor's side. There are 4 survivors, it is their job to organize their team to complete the gens despite the killer's pressure.

    ATM that is the survivor that applies pressure on the killer that has to prevent the gen to be done, against 4 survivors, while it doesn't not have the tools to do it.

  • Reinami
    Reinami Member Posts: 5,638

    I don't necessarily disagree with these things, but i'm merely responding to the points raised by the person i quoted.

  • Kalevi
    Kalevi Member Posts: 72
  • Nun_So_Vile
    Nun_So_Vile Member Posts: 2,438
    edited April 2023

    Imagine, wanting people banned for their personal criticisms of a game. How sad. Couldn't be me.

  • Kalevi
    Kalevi Member Posts: 72

    Valid criticism? Reading the new reviews makes me think that full grown adults that are clearly showing tantrums written these. It's just a bunch of people crying and showing egotistical behaviors which are self-serving.

  • Reinami
    Reinami Member Posts: 5,638
    edited April 2023

    This idea of "review bombing" is stupid in the sense that, companies use it as an excuse to defend their bad product. How many movies come out now that are terrible, and people give it bad reviews, and then they claim "review bombing" and "racism/sexism" or some such other nonsense instead of "maybe my movie is just bad"


    Review "bombing" is just a large number of people giving the review they think the thing deserves. In general it seems like a coordinated effort because in sense, it is. But only such that when people think something is bad they are more likely to raise their voice about it than when they think it is good. Making it appear like these people are all coordinating when bad reviews come in and not good reviews, when really it is just human nature.

  • Nun_So_Vile
    Nun_So_Vile Member Posts: 2,438
    edited April 2023

    Yes, I see mainly valid criticism. I'm reading through them right now. I see people eloquently expressing their opinion on what they don't like and are fed up with. I'd be hard-pressed to call it "crying and egotistical behaviors which are self-serving." I see enough of that on the forum already.

  • Dbdfan398
    Dbdfan398 Member Posts: 184
    edited April 2023

    We have almost nothing to regress a nearly completed gen

  • SomeGuy7000
    SomeGuy7000 Member Posts: 27

    Can somebody tell the killers I've faced since this patch that slowdown is dead? I'm tired of going against Pain Res, Surge, Deadlock, no way out, Sloppy, Pop, and Corrupt.

  • Dbdfan398
    Dbdfan398 Member Posts: 184

    Cause the games in a terrible state.

  • Nos37
    Nos37 Member Posts: 4,142

    It's like standing outside the bowling alley with pickets, protesting, because the owners removed the gutter guards from their bowling lanes and now you have to learn to bowl instead of relying on cructhes...

  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,429

    This is legitimately and objectively one of the most balanced and healthy updates to the game.

    Both Survivors and Killers have seen their most meta and most oppressive perks nerfed. Anyone who didn't rely on meta perks as a crutch realises this, but meta being meta, most were reliant on them.

    • You have a massive portion of the playerbase who are 'killer mains' and are incredibly offended by how regression perks have been nerfed.
    • You have a massive portion of the playerbase who are 'survivor mains' and are incredibly offended by how CoH and DH have been nerfed.

    Any healthy level of introspection and personal reflection would reveal this for the fair trade off it is, but instead, we have the vast majority of players who are diametrically opposed and hate this update for two entirely conflicting reasons. Anyone who "genuinely thinks this game is in a bad spot" from this most recent update, is quite frankly, deluded. And if they think that their sudden displeasure at a healthy game update warrants a fresh 0 review to "stick it to BHVR" for simply improving their game, they're not just deluded, they're petty, asinine and pathetic.

  • Dogma_loki
    Dogma_loki Member Posts: 436

    Nice take. Did you actually read this before you posted it? You come across as incredibly callous and condescending to anyone who doesn’t share your opinion.

  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,429
    edited April 2023

    I intend to come across as calous to anyone so self absorbed that they think the world is ending because their precious meta perks got nerfed.

    How is this game ever going to improve if every attempt at improving it upsets a load of babies who take it upon themselves to ruin the reputation of the game in response?

    This update is literally the answer to so many balance issues that players have been complaining about for years, and instead of celebrating it, they're throwing their toys out of the pram, both in game and apparently on steam charts as well. Killers refusing to play properly and slugging everyone out of protest of losing CoB, survivors genrushing and DCing when they can't in protest to not being able to DH every chase, and both mudslinging on steam.

  • KenwanObinobi
    KenwanObinobi Member Posts: 185

    They have had 7 years to work on it, they did not.

    And now they release a patch out of nowhere where everyone have warned them that some nerfs were too much and will force killers to tunnel and camp...

  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,429

    They literally rolled back on all of the issues people brought up and released only the best parts of the PTB. They have never listened to feedback and acted on it as well as they did this patch, and they get repaid by this backlash.

    I don't know how they do it, I could never be a game dev, I'd want to shoot all my customers.