Is matchmaking really the biggest problem of solo queue?

Solo queues only real problem and why it feels so bad is matchmaking. The game is balanced around around solo queue, not swf. The bad experiences people have in solo queue are all related to either getting bad teammates or playing bad themselves. There is no balance issues with solo queue. The number one advantage with swf isn’t even comms, it’s getting guaranteed good teammates.

Here’s the problem though. We can’t necessarily just improve the matchmaking for a couple reasons.

Firstly it’s bad in order to speed up matchmaking as they prioritize fast queues over balanced matches. If they made it more accurate you’d be waiting much longer and they won’t do that.

Secondly the matchmaking needs to be bad as it covers up the games balance problems. The game is balanced around having weak links that make mistakes. This is why people hated mmr even more near it’s earlier release as it was a much smaller matchmaking net and made way sweatier games. If they made it more accurate matchmaking they’d have to buff killer a lot and people obviously don’t want that, so bad matchmaking allows them to stay in the state they are.

I play almost strictly solo queue and 99% of the time I lose it’s either bad teammates or me making mistakes myself. There are no balance issues with solo queue, it’s skill issues, but that’s a hard pill for people to swallow and own up to.

Soloq is great. Soloq is fine. I enjoy soloq. Thanks, BHVR!

I feel like survivors should honestly just play SWF. That should please both killers & survivors. Now, survivors gets teams that function well enough to at least get some people out, and killers get the challenge they’re looking for b/c so many of them complain about survivors stinking in chase, doing brainless things, giving up on hook, etc. SWF is the answer.

Audience? See exhibit A.

This is an excellent example of why survivors should SWF. It really would satisfy by killers and survivors. :)

Well some basic tutorials for looping may be nice. But I think there is also information barrier for novices when it comes to perk description. It is full of unnecessary information. I made short thread about improving this issue: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/368961/shorter-and-clearer-perk-descriptions#latest

Thing is, with matchmaking being such a problem, you'd think that both sides would have equal complaints about matchmaking, but at least I personally see much more complaints from survivors than killers. For every survivor team that is completely outclassed by the killer, you would expect a killer that struggles immensely with a survivor team.

There's 3 reasons for this

1: Killer is relatively straightforward. You know where the gens are, you are giving paths to follow to survivors via blood and scratch marks, etc. On the other hand survivors have to learn the maps to figure out where gens tend to spawn, what strategies to prioritize, etc.

2: Killer abilities are 'easy' to use in comparison to survivors. Survivor abilities require hitting skill checks and things like BNPs aren't common enough to see a lot of use at low MMR. However, killer perks like Merciless Storm, can be devastating to low level MMR and require no skill on the killer's part.

3: The killer doesn't have to rely on anyone else. With 4 survivors there is a chance one of them is not taking it seriously, sleepy, drunk, scared, distracted, internet problems, rage quit, etc. One bad survivor can easily bring down the whole team.

The MM is globally the second main problem in DbD after the terrible balance of the game. The MM just increase that unbalance feeling.

Moreover, when the SBMM was strict, high MMR survivors were waiting 30 minutes to get a match and they faced only Nurse or Blight cause it is impossible for a killer to achieve high MMR while it is easy for the survivors, especially because they are babyssited by strong perks.

A single survivor with META perks is almost as strong as the killer so imagine 4 survivors with META perks...

And BHVR, instead of fixing the balance of the game, have decided to force average MMR killer to face high MMR SWFs just for them to not wait too long in the lobby.

In this case, it seems that the fact the killer will have an awful experience and will be bullied is a problem of a lesser importance than a SWF that has to wait to get a game.

That is why you never have consistency in the trials you play. Most of them are complete ez 4 escapes or ez 4 kills and there is no in-between 80% of the time.

He complained that as Pig he downed someone and they DC’d but if you’re familiar with his post history he admits to tunneling off hook (and just in general) and camping. It stands to reason that he employs these tactics in every game he plays as killer. So my initial point that survivors should group up in SWF to appease both sides was illustrated twofold by this killer main complaining about a solo queue player he presumably tunneled and/or camped (a common behavior as per his own admissions) DCing against him. If that survivor was in a SWF I’m sure his tunneling/camping wouldn’t have been as influential, and it’s unlikely that survivor would have DC’d. So he’d get a match he could enjoy since the DC bothered him and the survivor wouldn’t have to DC against his scummy tactics. Hope this helps! :)

Just took a huge streamer (1500/2000 viewers) that did not use privacy on DbD, i could then see the nicknames of the players he was playing against and i have looked for them on steam.

Most of the ones i have found with an open profile had 250/300 hours. 🙂

better than others is under-statement. if you actually watched any of tru3's "crazy" teams, he losing generators in <6 minutes against same calibur level as himself. I don't think you understand how fast it is to lose 5 gens in 6 minutes. In fact, I have never seen otz post a game where the team is doing gens in 6 minutes. To get an idea for how fast this, this game which tru3 played 4 weeks ago is example of his crazy teams.

The video is titled, "Why don't killer want a challenge?". its mildly mocking survivor mains but 6 minute games is killer getting 2-3 hooks. Its why tru3 doesn't play dbd anymore. He dislikes that he plays against baby mode survivors when he loses vs crazy teams and his crazy teams that of same skill-level as him are unwinnable games. The dev don't really balance killer powers or the game around his level of play. One aspect that tru3 has always stated about him playing killer is that he DISLIKES playing for survivor's fun. He does not like being a puppet, an AI-killer bot for survivor. Tru3's crazy team are legit comp-level type SWF's.

Tell me that those survivors are not babies. You can look the whole video, the low level is consistent.

But you can also check the Wesker trial at 02:35:30 and tell me these are high MMR crazy loopers...

Now i invite you to check some other big streamers past stream and see that they face exactly the same kind of survivors.

One of the streamer you have mentionned just said, on Tuesday, that he was facing survivors with 500 hours while he has 10k hours on the game :)

Not to the point a 10k hours streamer winning 95% of its game during his stream ends up to constantly facing bad survivors while on my side i face really strong survivors 8 times out of 10.

And it is not about having harder game, we think that the huge streamers that are the showcase for this game benefits from special settings in their matchmaking to not constantly get stomped by unwinnable survivors.

Look at the video, it is obvious that those survivors are babies. You can also check their names on steam, most of them have 300 hours.

That's because the matchmaker sucks.

What's more likely? The matchmaker that we know isn't accurate and prioritizes speed above all else is messing up and puts average players against 10K hour streamers. OR. BHVR's matchmaker is so good that it can actually be told who to whitelist and give easy matches, thereby creating a conspiracy specifically meant to target people and make them feel worse about their own games which BHVR has gone out of their way to make harder....for some reason.

Yeah, you guys sound like the people who think there are lizard people.

Does anyone have a link to the video where Otz played Legion on Ormond against some random 3men SWF and got 1k? It wasn't even a killsquad, just a regular decent SWF that prioritize gens and know how to loop working together. Pretty good example how people like him, Hens, Tofu, Jund etc don't just magically make survivors look babies, they actually ARE getting babies. There's no conspiracy theory, it was literally confirmed by content creators themselves that they have preferential matchmaking when the previous hacker pandemic was peaking. BHVR isn't out there to get some random person making the unfortunate mistake of playing killer. They are just getting the squads that content creators aren't, hence why people not in BHVR's favor don't get those easy games.

I feel that one thing often forgotten in these discussions is the skill of the SoloQ player themself. There's often a lot of "SoloQ is bad because I'm matched with n00bs who don't do gens" comments, but rarely (if at all) any admittance that maybe they have aspects of their game that requires improvement.

Whilst the other aspects are important, I feel this is often passed over, as if the player thinks it's weak to admit there are things they can do to get better. In fact it's not. Even great players or YouTubers out there had times where they maybe screw up or needed to improve an aspect. There is no shame in this and needs to be seen with a more empathetic eye.

I'm so sick and tired of the matchmaking system

People moan and complain about people disconnecting but 9 times out of 10 it's because they're sick of wasting their times in games that are over before they even started....

i've just come back after a week of not playing because i'm sick of it and first game back i'm against a wesker that downs 2 survivors in the first minute because they played like they've just installed the game for the first time, what is the point in this ? the game was over at matchmaking and there was literally nothing I could do.

I'm close to just uninstalling now because the game just isn't fun

I'm either matched with horrible players that run around like headless chickens not doing gens or i'm matched with try hard toxic killers that use nurse blight etc which are already too good.

You also shouldn't be getting matched against complete baby teams that you can easily steamroll, like you seem to want.

Fact of the matter is, you probably have an extremely limited sample size. Content creators play FAR more games than either you or I. This raises the odds of the matchmaker tossing them people.

his entire point is that playing survivors equal to your skill-level as killer with vast majority of the killer roster is not a challenge. It is simply impossible to win. your best case scenario is draws/losses. The times you win as killer is when the survivor is vastly below your skill-level as killer. In my opinion, there is very little skill expression against player's equal to your killer level. your often just a puppet for survivor's fun in most cases.

most of the maps between S-rank to B rank in otz tier list for map balance play similarly for high-level survivors which is like 60% of the maps in dbd. they're all survivor sided for the most part so I would not blame the map too much. The video just showcases the classic strong survivor SWF vs killer experience of dbd. Something to note is that video's game is not average dbd game. the average dbd game is facing survivor that are really bad at looping and the killer outplaying 90% of the chases as most survivor are not that good at looping so you usually win as killer if your good at killer.

Smaller youtube streamer probaly unknown by bhvr with 270 winstreak on clown (pinky finger), this is US east server which may have some of the weakest survivors overall tho (players like Scott and Zubat play on the same server)

If you're good and play optimal with strong builds you can just do well overall and hardly lose pretty much, maybe you'll run into more sweats depending on the time of day or being unlucky but i play on EU servers and i have had good experiences overall i'd say, i could still win maybe 90% of my killer games but i havent played since the latest patch. If you want to look at someone who plays on EU servers and wins alot generally and goes on decent streaks look up Zeb89 on twitch (gets maybe 250 viewers on twitch on average)