Is there an acceptable way for killer to win?

As a killer i try to hook everyone 2 times before starting to kill and for most games, survs are not salty if died. I think this is the valid way to win.

As a surv i enjoy games in which i can do anything and gg after the game where killer spread hooks moreless equally.

idk. I start playing unfair if there is too many flashlight saves, or other things that prevent me from hooks. In every other cases im doing 8 hooks before killing, and my kill rate is around 2.5, which is "win" according to bhvr.

Okay, i may be too rushed here. Tho im trying to keep my personal statistics and most of my games are 2-3 kills, some of 0-1 kills are because i let them go for various reasons.

I play Wraith/Nurse/Pinhead/Pyramidhead/Onryo/Dredge/Trapper/Nemesis so lot of things.

Tho if i think about it now, i may be unreliable since if i let them go, then my MMR is lower than it should.

Edit: But either way, playing this way makes survivors less salty, so maybe this hook spread is a way to play. Bhvr should concentrate on this imo.

I would like it if playstyles that are fair and fun were rewarded more. At the moment, if you tunnel out a survivor as a killer, you have the highest chance of winning. As a result, this survivor who is being tunneled out has absolutely no fun and I, as a killer, actually don't enjoy having to tunnel out this one survivor to have a chance.

Therefore, the idea would be if a survivor is hung up twice in a row, he simply gets a bonus time that he can hang on the hook (e.g. +30 sec, almost an extra ressurance). On the other hand, if another survivor is hung up, the killer gets a buff that gives him e.g next gen regress perk extra % extra (e.g. 5% extra on pop, pain res, eruption, duration of next deadlock proc etc.) and if the next survivor is another survivor it's 6% and so on.

I know these are strange values ​​and a lot would have to be adjusted, but on the whole it should be rewarded for both sides if a fair playstyle is pursued.

But that's just my subjective opinion, so nobody should feel offended here.

I love it when they use that thing, it makes me smile.

I am happy no matter the Killer I face, only the abusers Survivors makes me frustrated.

I almost agree on all things and that's my point. Look:

1) game design. Ok. But game designed such way that it is unfun for one role and fun for other. Is it comforting for taken player? Unlikely. "I hate constantly losing!" "Well, it's a game design, swallow it." "Ah, ok then."

2) I disagree that it is same for both sides. What I see - survivors almost always losing, killers almost always winning. Survivors giving up very often. Are they some unique snotty spoiled kids, brought to play survivors specially, or they are THE VERY SAME people that play killer too?

3) That is exactly right, there are equal amount of toxicity (because see previous point - same players). It's just fuel the fire of frustration.

4) With all reverse points you said everything is fine with couple "ifs". Totally agree. So is about your list (except tunneling and camping). If some kids complain about slugging or 3gen, the same amount of kids cry about genrush and bodyblocking.

5) Git-gud point was more for audience, not you especially. It's just whenever someone say (me included) "Survivor harder then killer", usual response: learn to play noob. Whenever someone complain about killer difficulty, then "nerf this" and "nerf that".

For killer you drop down on MMR and get weaker survivors (which is unacceptable for many for some reason). For survivor - I'm certain I'm playing on the very bottom of survivor MMR, taking escape/death ratio, nowhere to lower it more. Soon to be 2K hours, what more git gud I can or what to do with all people I'm matched with.

Survivor maybe relaxing only if you are not playing (doing gen or on hook), which is similar being in lobby, but where is gameplay in that? But the thing is it's very disturbing and stressful to spend so much time (in proportion) to "not playing" and then lose for a 10th time in a matter of seconds.

Probably it is not very relaxing to me personally. I would gladly go agains strike-SWF that completely destroy me (but gave me valuable experience and challenging gameplay), than repeatedly see how half team is dead at 5 gens, or someone DCd, or killer is tunneling or camping someone, over and over and over again.

watch high level gameplay, the best killers in the world have to tunnel and camp vs the best survivors in the world. The game is in favor of efficient survivors if you don't do these things. I played a match earlier where I had 3 downs about as fast as they could have been downed. it takes 90 seconds to repair a gen and almost 6 minutes to regress a generator at 99.99% without perks and over 4 minutes with full slowdown perks now after nerf. It was 2 mins and 30 seconds before the recent nerfs to gen slowdown perks. in said earlier game at 3 downs they had 4 gens done. I started with the Feng in my sight and downed her with 13 thrown knives as trickster then downed the second one at her hook as he followed trying to body block and they popped the first 2 as I hooked him. started moving towards the finished gens and they unhooked Feng, went straight back to hook and downed her as the next 2 gens popped then they unhooked the ace, Feng killed herself by trying to kobe on her first hook and so I got 1 kill because the final gen popped before I saw another survivor. This was in that castle map that came with the knight. the first gen to pop was main building. Feng's second down I followed her scratch marks from her hook where she didn't heal at all. this was with both faster movement while throwing knives add-ons.

i'm fine with any playstyle from killer and i even would not complain as far as i getting enough bp

No, tunneling will never be understood by Survivor Mains.

Well you are playing, but you're failling to play correctly so you end's up on a hook dying.

So then dont go down in 30 seconds. A killer plays to kill, a survivor plays to survive, right? Your objective ultimately, is to avoid death. If you go down in 30 seconds, sure, it might not be your fault BUT it probably is. If you get tunnelled out well, at least you can move into another game quickly. Getting camped should be changed so that it at least earns you decent BP, considering you are technically keeping the killer occupied for your team. I play survivor sometimes - and im really bad at it, but even i can last well over a minute in most chases. If you dont like dying and die a lot... maybe survivor isn't the role for you 🤷‍♂️

Its not about dying. This one centence proves You dont understand the problem.

I dont mind dying, i actually like dying here (tho im not doing this on purpouse), i like how entity is conjured slowly while im hooked.

What is the problem, that i dont like NOT being able to play a game i payed for.

For me is when the killer spread hooks and give us the opportunity to play the game as a whole, like gens, chase, rescue, jumpscare... and in my games they still get their 3K or 4K but even tho I die, I always have fun in those matches. ☺️

This kind of gameplay is not only acceptable way to win but also deserved!! 😉