Why Survivor Issues are Ignoring by Devs? ( Post Necro'd by someone for no reason )

This sums up the issues pretty well, however, given these facts it is still possible to win as a survivor. Perhaps not altogether but if it is a soloQ does it really matter?

On the other hand, for SWF there is no viable solution.

I would at least like for the devs to address all the useless addons and offerings in the survivor bloodweb which only purpose is to waste BP.

The Luck offerings, most shrouds, most key addons, most map addons, the brown and yellow mist bottles. All this are barely used items/offerings and there is no reason anyone would buy them if not because they are forced to.

I must have like 400 Chalk pouches that i will never use.

I will also say that if I Camp and Tunnel here are my reasons

Camping- If quick saves happen then I'll be more then happy to set up my campfire and tent (It's not even if the Gens are getting done quickly at this point)

Tunneling:

1) If I don't realize that the Survivor has recently been hooked

2) If they get a Flashlight save or Sabo a hook... cause if I continue to ignore that Survivor it will keep happening so I'll deal with them first

The problem is its a game design problem and not a mechanic problem. Its also an issue of the devs taking too long to fix core issues in the game while adding additional problems along the way.

All of the things nerfed for survivors above took literal YEARS to address while they so-called "buffed solo survivor" to compensate. I'm not going to downplay the HUD because while yes it can show useless things it also can show things that allow for me to make smarter, in the moment, decisions as a solo survivor.

With all that being said, both sides feel not super fun right now. After 6 years of playing this game, this is the first time where I absolutely despise the meta on either side of the coin. I'm really hoping for a giant shakeup for the anniversary but with their track record, my hope remains devoured lol

Of all these I sometimes use map offerings if a particular challenge can be done easier on a specific map (e.g. those with high elevation for Balance Landing challenges).

But I am surprised to see how bad shrouds are these days. Starting the match together makes no sense as even if you are in the shack working on 1 gen it is completely useless. At least the community is smart enough to recognise this. Often when a 3rd person joins one of the other two leaves as it is simply not efficient.

Tunneling and camping got buffed after 6.1 that is problem and they are more common than before. They are most unfun tactics for survivors so that is problem. Something needs to be done. As now games are gen rush/tunnel and camp I play less and less but there is not game like dbd so I still play it and maybe one day I hope they nerf these tactics at least a bit.

Basekit BT isn’t good. Nurse is back to 6 blinks with her add-ons. The visual terror radius doesn’t affect survivorship anymore than the audible terror radius. Reassurance could have been OK if the original version had made it to live. But remember it was neutered b/c killers complained it would prohibit justified camping. The red herring was that it would somehow allow survivors to trap each other on hook, which is a very silly argument. You could have done better. Do better next time.

I don’t feel that they’re really ignoring either side’s issues more than the other side’s. The game just has a lot of problems. A lot of those problems have been addressed over the last year, even if there’s still a long way to go.

I definitely agree with you that camping/tunneling, Blight’s addons, and Spirit’s addons need to be looked at.

That’s the result of the game having so much power creep. It went on for far too long and the devs are finally cracking down on it with nerfs because it’s the only way to fix it. This game has a lot of OP stuff on both sides, but a lot of it has been toned down over the past year.

Also, I wouldn’t really call the Dead Hard and self-healing nerfs moving the goalpost. We couldn’t know the previous version of DH would still be too strong until it was introduced in 6.1.0 as it didn’t work the same way prior to that, Circle of Healing had constant complaints since its release (and because its two previous nerfs didn’t actually address why it was an issue), and players had been asking for medkit nerfs for years. Nor would I call it moving the goalpost for survivors to ask for nerfs to Call of Brine because while it wasn’t an uncommon perk prior to 6.1.0, the subsequent meta made it a very good pick especially given its newfound synergy with Overcharge. It’s also incompatible with Ruin which I think probably turned some players away from it when Ruin was still meta.

It can also happen because of things being overbuffed. Eruption didn’t get a ton of complaints until it was buffed (even though I do think its original version with 16s Incapacitated was still bad design too) because almost no one used it prior to that.

What happens? Nobodys gonna play. Imagine the game which punishes you for completing an objective lmao.

Whether camping and tunneling are legitimate strategies is irrelevant. It doesn’t change the fact that those strategies are incredibly unfun to play against.

No one really thinks the devs of this game ignore survivor issues. But it’s important to note that the survivor issues addressed are done as a balancing afterthought to prevent too many people from abandoning the role. Killers received quite a few buffs in 6.0 and some were only dialed back b/c the queue times for killers rose quite a bit as fewer people came in as survivor (i.e. Eruption’s nerf). And the core issues that survivors have come down to camping + tunneling. Anything else is an offshoot of those two things, which have not been addressed. Tbh there’s really no way to solve those problems without altering game mechanics. Perks aren’t enough. BP incentives aren’t enough. Increasing survivor objective times aren’t enough. All of those things have been implemented yet failed to discourage camping and/or tunneling. It’s gonna take something extreme.

Now that's something we can agree on. To really 'solve' (if that is even possible) these issues they have to make some drastic changes to the game. They could try to add some reward for spreading hooks and also add base DS for a PTB to test it. They added 10 extra seconds to the gens but then nerfed the best slow down perks and now we're in kind of a weird spot, where games either end so fast the killer is physically unable to do anything or the killer could potentially hold the game forever (at least for me).

the devs say those are valid strats