The game is now a real camping/tunneling fest

And BHVR doesn't want to "run out of money" so they will continue to release new chapters (and paragraphs) without stopping to think if they delayed one chapter for the sake of game health it would benefit them in the long run

Not to mention some of the gen rush perks that came with and after the 90 secs gens, we often do 2-3 gens as the killer get their first down, as a former killer main i do understand the stress this puts on the killer. The only way to secure a draw at this gen rate is in many cases needed to keep up with that speed (depending on the killers movement speed too ofc) .

They do need to down survivors in a total of 6 times to get a draw, and when 2-3 gens pop at first down...

what are the options??

Compared to last patch killers lost the ability to contest generators. For sure I could hold 3 gens on most of the maps for a very long time. If I delayed the game 90-120 seconds or longer with my single slow down perk then I won.

But they gave my perk a 75% nerf without touching gen rush perks. So now I largely ignore gens and instead guard the survivors. I play to kill to people and "win" when the survivors mess up and I get three kills or four if they really mess up.

We'll make it is stil super strong so no that's not true sorry. DH was nerfed pretty hard but in the right hands it still saves a ton of time - meanwile 100% of the gen regression perks do less than they did last patch. What about Pain Res? Well 25% only four times seems nice until you realize you could keep chain hooking people for 15% and make it effective about 8-9 times.

Doing some simple math you'll see that -100% is not as good as -135% progress. Also having it fewer times means you get nothing for tunneling one person out. The problem there is that tunneling is required vs good players.

When was the last time as a survivor that you got all gens to 33% before ever getting one generator to 66% progress? That never happened because it would be massively inefficient to do so.

Why would you ask the killer to play inefficiently - so you could have fun at their expense.

Tell that to the profiles of the people I have to play against thanks to MMR. I dont look at profiles to find the "Weak link" because some people smurf. I look at profiles to screen lobbies so I dont play against 3-4 man SWF.

Imagine if survivors had a "side quest" they were required to do after completing one generator before doing the next generator.

No that's not a thing - they just go from one gen to the next.

I had to relearn how to play the game and I've been playing since 2016. Gen regression was vital for killer for 2-3 years and now it's irrelevant. Oh ok.

That would be like if we had the change proposed 2-3 years ago where survivors could heal twice and never again no matter what. That didnt happen because : "survivors didnt like it."

Maybe control how you feel about things and stop letting other people control how you do things.

Well, i tell killers thanks for a fair match often enough, if they didnt camp or tunnel, no matter the outcome. And i had some good conversations.

There is not that much you can do to give a killer a good time, other than being respectfull, and i did start giving killers hooks at the end if they were clearly outmatched, or my teammates were rude. To me, its the equivalent of giving hatch.

But i have to agree, i seldom experienced that as killer. The experience that i have is that the more aggressive you play, the less annoying survivors are in the end or after the match. (although that doesnt mean i camp or tunnel)

Sometimes i think this game should have a requirement that you play both sides, maybe that would remind people that the opposing side is just your fellow gamer.

MAybe its just me, because i play a lot of card games, tabletops and pen&paper rpgs, because yeah, you are kind of responsible for the fun of the others, because otherwise there is noone left to play with.

Dodging lot of lobbies and going agains't the weaker teams probably means you have good winrate increasing your mmr way above average. Another reason why chechking profiles should not be a thing. But still there should not be enough good teams to put agains't you all the time. But sounds in your case mmr might actually work.

Killers camp and tunnel, survivors slam gens.

Both sides rush their objective. Both issues need addressing, preferable by the devs.

The community can technically address the issue by killers following the survivor rulebook and survivors following the killer rulebook.

But I don't see the survivor community agreeing to that ever.

Camping and tunnelling are consequences of genrushing. They come in the same pack. Most games the only way to secure a kill is tunnelling and maming sure to delay the unhook, especially when gens start popping fast. The killers I see take a different approach are usually using one or two slowdown perks.

In its current state, the game is not usually forgiving with killers that make mistakes, thus encouraging this playstyle.

But it is easy, deal with genrush effectively then camping and tunnelling will decrease

Here is a possible solution:

• Slim down the perks. Shove some perks into the general pool, kill others or fold them into other perk and give each survivor or killer a single, strong, characterful and signature to that character, so that unlocking said perk feels meaningful and like that character taught it to the others. (Circle of Healing for Mikaela, Proof Thyself for Dwight, etc.).
• Give the game a hard reset. Think hard about gen speeds and hook timers, how they interact and SEVERELY limit any gen speed ups and slow downs. Think also about a penalty to splitting up gens. The gens should be the hard timer of the game, ie not be flying, but also not be stalled into oblivion. Repairing a gen together maybe couldn't give you a speed boost, but let you cover for each others mistake, ie a great skill checks from one survivor lets you gloss over the next missed one on the same gen from the other. So all gens would take the same amount to complete. Splitting up on gens is one of the most oppressive thing for a killer and often pressures them into tunneling, because 3 gens pop back to back in a heartsinking manner.
• Make gen repair perks and gen regression perks a new class of perks that just don't stack. Or MAYBE give a more supportive perk the special ability to stack with one other perk, but thats it. With gens taking from 90s to something around 20s, thats such a big spread thats just unhealthy to the game. Times for actions like repairing gens, healing etc shouldn't swing 80% in any direction. Maybe give it a hard cap of 20% up or down.
• Revisit hex perks and realize my age long suggestion: all perks are at the start of the match sustained by The Entity for a certain amount of time (90s sounds good). After this time they are moved onto random dull totems on the map and light them up. Thus survivors can go bone hunting, booning or cleansing or ignore totems, it doesnt matter, but after the grace period the killers hex perks light any remaining ones up. If a crafty bone hunter cleansed already three totems by this time and the killer had 3 hex totems, tough luck, then the last one wont be transfered and go inactive. Thus hexes suddenly become relevant and usable again while "doing bones" also becomes a counter playstyle again.
• Give killers a mini BBQ by showing them the aura of one random survivor upon hooking another one and give them a speed boost to move in that survivirs general direction. Take the speed boost away if they go back in the direction of the hook, start a chase or get within 16m of the target survivor.
• Also give the killers the old BBQ bonus blood points for hooking each survivor once. Only increase the counter as long as all survivors are alive, ie in order to gain +100% BP the killer must hook the 4th survivor while everyone else is alive.
• Maybe give some sort of debuff or mini grim embrace to the survivors one the killer hooks everyone once and twice, while veryone is alive, ie reward the killer for not tunnelung but spreading hooks out, while giving them a smol leg up in the process. Going for 9 hooks vs comp teams would still be impossible, but at least killers would get an incentive in casual/normal games.
• give every survivor a basekit reassurance that can be used once per trial. Make the real reassurance perk be usable from further away and start with 3 tokens that can be burned through. Allow the survivor on the hook to shake off reassurance buffs if desired.

There is probably other stuff, but thats it for now.

TL,DR: hard cap gen repair and regression; slim down perks and let each character only contripute one new perk instead of three but let that one be good and meaningful; make gens the hard timer of the game, neither flying by nor being stalled to death; revisit hexes; give killers incentives to go for 9 hooks, while discouraging camping and tunneling; give a base reassurance to survivors to help discourage camping.

You know what, I agree with your tunnelling statement. When I get RPD as huntress, for example, my first hook is usually guaranteed close or on mid hook. I reviewed my own game statistics, and literally camping the first survivor on maps like those gets me MORE value than actually leaving and hunting down other survivors..

I think gens should take a tiny bit longer, if the killer is actively leaving the hook and initiating a new chase.

I took a break from the game because I played Survivor and was only getting tunneled and camped. Came back after one week thinking maybe the sweatlords are on ptb now, but I was wrong. 5 Survivor Games: Camped, hard tunneled, camped, hard tunneled then finally one game without that but still lost. Funny enough, the last killer was a skull merchant. Never seen a SM-Player tunnel or camp btw.

But I also play killer. And the truth is: if you really want to win, you better tunnel one out to get ahead of the game. This is the state of the game atm, because gens will fly left and right if you do not end a chase in 20-30 seconds. I bought the rift and there is a challenge to collect 8 iri emblems. How many games does anyone think I will play to get this done? So I sweated and apologized in chat afterwards. But this is BHVRs fault, they put these challenges (and a broken emblem system) in the game.

I used to be able to play fair as killer, don't tunnel and still get a win 50% of the time. But these times are over. This game once again needs a hiatus and a good look at the perks that are in the game right now. They killed the gen regression and then introduced...nothing to compensate for. Instead, Survivors can just run away from you, if you don't use a S-Tier killer with best addons. Not to mention the terrible maps for killers that are still not changed in any meaningful way. Putting some clutter from borgo means nothing, I cannot see on this map whats right in front of my eyes while seeing whats happening at the other end of the map.