Remember when they created an entire killer to avoid nerfing one survivor perk?

I don't see the point you're trying to make here at all? Yes, Pyramid Head counters unhook perks, but is that a bad thing?

Are you upset that there are killers that counter certain playstyles and perks? Do you want every killer to function the same?

Plague counters healing, Nurse counters looping, Blight counters holding W, Legion counters grouping up, etc. etc.

Should the devs have changed core gameplay mechanics for all of these killers or instead give you an option to use these counters?

And then they nerfed PH three times in three weeks after release, and gave him the worst set of addons of any killer in the game, all for the crime of his cages being able to side step DS and Borrowed Time. To this day, he's still the most over-hyped killer in the game and people are still demanding that they be allowed to use their perks through the cages.

Same, what are they even on about?

Im guessing it's the fact that PH can ignore DS with Cages of Atonement but like... that's just part of their power?

And they nerfed DS anyways lol.

Politely disagree.

Killers can camp hooks just as easily as he could camp cages. Easier, in fact, because the cage would go very far away right off the bat, while killers can just stand next to a cage immediately. It takes no longer to uncage them as to unhook them. The ONLY difference was no Borrowed Time and no Decisive Strike. His cages shut off two survivor perks.

Also, he could never 'quick spam' rites of judgement. If you've played as and against him, you may be aware of the many, many limitations of his power. To whit:

• it takes time to plant the blade, during which you cannot turn at all.
• It requires Torment to launch the attack, which drains while you move, attack, and from putting down torment trails, meaning you could very well not have enough gas in the tank to even use the power when the opportunity to do so arises.
• The blade plant also creates one of the loudest sound warnings in the game.
• While down, PH's horizontal movement is throttled to a fraction of normal mobility and he cannot turn at all if he is not moving forward or backward.
• It also gives the survivor a bright red Warning Beam Danger Zone that shows exactly where it will be hitting, which lasts until the attack is finished (a luxury which PH himself does not enjoy).
• It then takes time to activate the shockwave, and further time for each segment of the shockwave to travel forward, during which time, PH cannot turn at all.
• The attack only has a range of 8m after all of the segments have deployed, and is less than 1m wide, allowing survivors to move left or right and instantly avoid the entire thing, making it totally useless in the open and only useful in limited passages and narrow corridors.
• PH suffers a cooldown afterwards, regardless of if you hit or not, which is 50% longer than the default miss cool down. If you're interested, it's also longer than Huntress' hatchets, despite that attack having a massively greater range.

Those are all limits he started with, none of those were added afterwards. The nerf was to tack on a 1 second cool down between putting your sword down and being able to attack after you pull it up. The goal of which was that you couldn't put the sword down, they dodge to the side instead of running forward, then you lift it up, turn unencumbered, and swing at them.

In compensation, they made the cooldown of his ability slightly faster (2.25 seconds instead of 2.75). For reference, the delay on a successful melee hit is 2.7 seconds and a missed melee hit is 1.5 seconds. The upshot of which is that it's actually MORE able to be 'quick spammed' than before the nerfs, but it's still worse than just making a default lunge.

I'm not even going to get into how totally worthless Torment Trails are. Suffice to say, making the punishment auto-apply Torment is the ONLY way you're going to see tormented survivors unless you're playing against brand new players.

The belief that Cages are some be-all, end-all, along with a fundamental misunderstanding of just how unwieldy his shockwave is all contributes to people claiming he's S-tier or A-tier or something similar. They even include him in the "Tournament Level" killer lists, despite the fact that nobody would ever actually play him over real tournament-level killers.

He's a B-tier killer. His main attack his awkward, his paths are atrocious, his cages are insanely over-hyped, and his add-ons are the literal worst of any killer in the game.

You can certainly play him and play him well. But if you were playing actual S or A-tier killers, you'd have a much, MUCH more reliable performance.

That being said, if he EVER gets the add-on pass he so desperately needs, he may very well get to A-tier! You're essentially playing with no item buffs, which makes almost every single killer massively weaker than they are otherwise.

Pyramid Head was the reason I bought the game in the first place.

The layer upon layer of built-in weaknesses, limitations, and nerfs to his power set have disappointed me immensely, and his perpetually boring, feeble, and useless addons were the reason why I made an account on this forum in the first place - in the feeble hope that yelling into the void might find some resonance to amplify the grievance into a glorious swell of righteous dismay and might effect some action.

So yeah, I get passionate about it.

He's B-tier. He's not the worst. He's not C or D. He's playable and you can certainly win games with him. But he's objectively NOT amazing. He's not even especially good. He's just playable. But the fact that people don't understand all the limits of his kit and assume he's got an answer to every problem means he's over-hyped, which leads to all the needless nerfs he's suffered and delay any action to address his addon problem.

The fact that they FINALLY gave him the ability to actively torment players instead of putting his torment (and thusly his cages) totally in the hands of the survivors finally shows me that they've looked at the stats and realized 1) nobody's playing him 2) survivors aren't getting tormented, and 3) he's not winning the kinds of games that the hype would have you believe.

And that means that maybe, possibly, hopefully... his addons will finally be addressed.

And then, I can delete my forum account and finally rest.

Which take? OP or the one above you?

DS released in 2016, Pyramid Head in 2020... Yeah that checks out.

Otzdarva places Pyramidhead in A-tier. 🤷‍♀️ And has since he began making lists. Maybe Pyramidhead is b-tier for you. But he isn’t a b-tier killer.

Irrelevant, but I’ll bite. Otz usually faces pretty subpar survivors, and seems to be a more casual/easygoing streamer. I’d say his takes are pretty valid & generally reflective of what most people think about these killers.

His cages still make tunneling too easy, that's why people want perks to work with cages.

PH is an incredibly strong killer still. While he has counterplay in chases, it's certainly more limited than that of many other killers. And he can get hits almost constantly due to ignoring any type of obstacle.