SWF nerfs

It's not that they've "refused" to show it. The game is 7 years old and they literally showed kill rates *once* in that time, and it was only several months ago after a big killer buff/ perk overhaul update that was done with the sole intention of increasing kill rates. They shared the kill rates to show that the update had the intended outcome. I'm not sure why they're apparently required to update us now every several months when they hadn't done so in several years?

We've also just come out of a gen kick meta that was being used to stall games, and I guarantee kill rates increased artificially during that time. Now that build has been nerfed, it'll take time for kills to settle at their actual legitimate rates.

Doubt it.

Completely anecdotal, but I suspect it's gone up. If it hadn't, they wouldn't be pushing forward with their proposed changes.

I dont understand this debate. Include an in game comms system like alot of other games and then balance with the assumption that all survivors are communicating.

The counter i hear is "i dont want to be forced to talk to my teammates..." well you pay the price for hurting your team. Period, end of subject.

Bhvr cannot implement ingame voice chat because they can’t or won’t?

Given how players themselves are asked to support proof of hackers, I wouldn’t be surprised if the devs themselves probably didn’t have a way or would find it difficult to access audio logs for reports of verbal abuse if ingame voice chat was implemented.

How would you nerf SWF?

And please dont tell me that you would give them an action speed debuff, this would be silly and you should know it.

Both OOO and Soul Guard recieved changes that were obviously focused on how SWF can use them if you want to count that. And the Soul Guard change is to this day a shining example of exactly how you should change a perk with supreme focus on the actually potentially problematic application of a perk without stomping it completely into the dirt.

Beyond that, it's blatantly obvious that their approach is the polar opposite, to try to bring solo up instead. Was obvious that'd be the way they'd eventually go since several years ago but with changes like the HUD icons and the like they finally got around to actually doing what was always the only option besides going "cope or quit :^)" while changing absolutely nothing.

Your idea is good, but I think it'd be more fair to limit the stronger perks (Like exhaustion perks) to one instance per team if they're a swf, rather than broadly applying it to all perks. It allows room for overlap with weaker perks, but puts a limit on the strong perks that act as chase extenders.

Your idea could also be applied to items, so that swfs could only bring 1 of each item, rather than a four-man bringing 4 commodius toolboxes with hyperfocus. Which, imo, would be a significant nerf to swfs without actually impacting the casuals who just play for fun.

It's punishing people for playing seriously with their friends. Not disagreeing with your overall suggestion, just calling it like it is. I like Dead by Daylight as much as the next guy, but I play in a duo and we mainly play for fun. Like, yes, we want to win but not if the cost is being a sweat and ruining not just our fun but the killer's fun aswell.

Winning is nice, but it's not the reason I play dbd.

I disagree that it will hurt competent teams the most because what will happen is the competent teams will adapt. Soon there will be youtube videos detailing the best 16 perk build for swfs and then what? If the issue were SWF's, they would have been nerfed back when the depip squad was a thing, and they did all of that with no perks.

The issue was, and always has been, maps. This hasn't changed in the 7 years it has been out and based on the most recent maps we have gotten, and the Red Forest rework, they intend on keeping the maps horrible. Unfortunately, and trust me it annoys me too, in order to be able to enjoy this game you just have to accept that sometimes you are gonna get dealt a bad hand and its gonna cause you to lose. Then, just breathe and go next.

I know it’ll be seen as a punishment but any rational person would understand that it’s not and that it’s all about balance.

I doubt the Devs would want to open that can of worms though, seeing how reasonable and mature the player base is.

Do you think I use telecom to talk?

Do you think all SWF all have Discord any other connection?

It is enough for me that they are fun and know what they are doing

I like how confident you are when I use telecom to communicate

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. I was just throwing a couple of ideas around, not a fully fledged out solution. The core idea is that double dipping on busted stuff is what makes strong SWFs so frustrating and oppressive to play against, while not limiting casual peeps who just want to hang out with their friends and play a couple of matches.

So yeah, limiting items and certain perks sounds like a good thing, while anything goes for soloQ, they are not the problem and shouldn't be touched.

In the same vein I proposed a couple of times to devise a system that gives killers some sort of buff if they spread their hooks without killing someone off, coupled with the old BBQ like BP multiplier that only increases as long as all four survivors are alive.

Sounds complicated but what I mean is this: while all four survivors are alive the killer gets +25% BP per unique survivor hooked, and each hook will impose some sort of debuff or regress gens. I have no idea how to do this, but the goal should be to reward killers for playing the long game and wanting them to not tunnel a survivor out ASAP, and giving them something in return, like regression or slowdown. A hooked survivor could lose access to their item for a while or after all four survivors got hooked there could be a Grim Embrace like effect ... but all this just works as long as everyone is alive. That is the key of my solution.

The entire community cringed at that comment at the exact same time. It really goes to show how tone deaf they are when it comes to what this community is frustrated with. I've played on the new map once since the patch today and its just so easy to lose people.

Hence the argument who takes this perk?

Your solutions don't make sense

You want to punish the players because they only play together (what a crime)

It's a matter of skill if your skill is low against your opponent who is high skill then don't complains say SWF OP

Not all SWF users use Discord or any other connection. Personally, I play with them without the need for connections

It will make the game boring and die faster

It's an MMR problem

If you are using SWF solely for the purpose of enjoying with friends, then the outcome of the matches shouldn't matter and you should be able to have fun regardless. In other words, even if there are some debuffs in SWF, it should still be enjoyable when playing with friends. Ultimately, the reason SWF is fun is because it's easier to win against opponents. That's why people may dislike the restrictions imposed on it.

Personally, I always want to see an indication on the results screen whether it was a SWF or not, for the sake of personal statistics, but it's not easily realized.

If Swf can’t be nerfed, people have to accept that Solo queue will forever be trailing behind Killer in terms of balance.

Solo Queue will continue to complain about Killer sided and Killers will continue to complain about Swf sided.

Balancing them without touching swf is not achievable given bhvr’s track record at balance unfortunately.